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Quoting: scaineBoth Spellbook Demonslayers and Nomad Survival allow for second-stick aiming, but there's only a tiny handful of weapons where that's an issue, since most weapons are auto-target, or AOE around you, or a random spot. Some always target in front, or behind, so the aiming weapons occasionally give you some tactical advantages.

To that end, I still think the fourth criteria that really matters is the auto-shoot mechanic.

I agree, a lot of comments are focusing on the autofiring mechanic to more strongly differentiate from twin stick shooters (eg the people mentioning Robotron). But besides the two you mentioned, 20 Minutes till Dawn is very much twin-stick, and Soulstone Survivors has characters with twin-stick attacks, so I focus more on the other differentiating factors (eg, the roguelike influence). I do like "Single-stick shooter" as a genre descriptor though.

I kind of think of it as 'Flick-Stick' shooter, as you run around and your main weapon tends to only work toward the facing of your character, so you have to flick behind occasionally to whack the things chasing you. Also it rhymes :grin:

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: DoomedpaladinNah. I prefer Wanderbots' name for the genre, "Bullet Heaven." If you controlled a horde then "Horde" would work, but games like Pikmin and Overlord 1&2 would work better for that.

There are Twin Stick shooters (games where you move around on a map, chased by things, but you can aim with a secondary stick, so you can constantly move away from the enemies while shooting them) and then there are 'Flick Stick' shooters, which is what these are. You have to flick the stick in the direction they're coming from to be able to hit them, at least with some/most weapons, as it doesn't aim with the second stick.

Both Spellbook Demonslayers and Nomad Survival allow for second-stick aiming, but there's only a tiny handful of weapons where that's an issue, since most weapons are auto-target, or AOE around you, or a random spot. Some always target in front, or behind, so the aiming weapons occasionally give you some tactical advantages.

To that end, I still think the fourth criteria that really matters is the auto-shoot mechanic.

I love that Nomad Survival even plays on the Twitch runs that VS saw where you're not allowed to move. There's a whole character class that just stands still for the entire run. Quite hard to unlock too, but a fun and extremely tactical way to play these games.

Ha, so it is sort of like Necromancer!

But yes. I'm convinced the genre these games all belong to is actually a really old one that's been around for ages. Hell, if you think about it Centipede is basically this, but only one direction.

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Quoting: DoomedpaladinNah. I prefer Wanderbots' name for the genre, "Bullet Heaven." If you controlled a horde then "Horde" would work, but games like Pikmin and Overlord 1&2 would work better for that.

There are Twin Stick shooters (games where you move around on a map, chased by things, but you can aim with a secondary stick, so you can constantly move away from the enemies while shooting them) and then there are 'Flick Stick' shooters, which is what these are. You have to flick the stick in the direction they're coming from to be able to hit them, at least with some/most weapons, as it doesn't aim with the second stick.

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Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: kuhpunktAnd here I thought the joke couldn't be more obvious :sad:

:grin:

Really, sarcasm and irony is unusable on the internet. There's just too many who'd seriously mean what's said as a joke - regardless of what's being said :D

That's why there have been sarcasm marks since the dawn of networked text communication: http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/e/emoticon.html [External Link]

(Maybe not the best example, I remember another jargon file asking to put a smiley or other sarcasm indicator like /s after sarcasm). Edit: more specifically, the argument was: a lot of people read these messages. Even if 100 people understand the joke, the 101th might not, and reply with an annoyed answer.

Ha, just reminds me of the sign I had hanging in my cubicle at my old job...

"Sarcasm;

Because beating the shit out of people is illegal"

Or something like that.

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Quoting: jarhead_hLet's see.... this makes TWO VR games that I actually want to play, and they are BOTH Half Life games. I'm NOT paying $1K for an Index for just two games. They could Announce Half Life 3 as VR only and I still wouldn't do it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0SCytV0ssAU [External Link]

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I am just going to leave this here... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V-aBIiDBE3c [External Link]
While you don't actually run, and the game play is indeed different in some key ways. It would be a Horde game, and for sure one of the earliest. There is another game on the Atari 8 bit that I cannot quite recall right now the name, that I swear plays exactly like Vampire Survivor.

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Quoting: shadow1w2Dbrand expensive and sketchy or atleast odd PR.
Dunno about their products but I can say I'm not interested for those two reasons alone.
As for the uproar, something feels off about it to me and I think this is all according to plan.
It certainly is getting them attention isn't it?

Personally I'd rather give my money to these garage makers in the community.
Especially the open source ones.

Ha, their marketing / PR is hilarious. Watch any of the Linus Tech Tip videos where they sponsor them. You know Linus wouldn't ever actually bad mouth a sponsor, you know dbrand would have to look over anything that he is going to say. But they treat it like they are a silly rivalry, which is definitely amusing.

I mean come on, the 'Kill Switch' is very tongue in cheek on the naming, as the Steam Deck is for sure the death of the Switch for adult gamers.

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Quoting: constI want real community forums back, reddit is cancer.

Consider that we need somewhere to put the cancer/blind outrage output and that visiting reddit isn’t very useful for immediate reactions. Avoid it, vote with your wallet (browser).

Reddit, much like some other places, it really depends on which part of it you hang out in. Like if it is a really popular place, there are going to be asshats. Like I usually only read either places where you want funny asshats, or where there are legitimate questions and answers (like the GURPS subreddit.) It's like so many forums too, there are always some that are just jerks. Like if you look at the Atari VCS or Jaguar forums on AtariAge, there were people that acted like the fact these things exist is a strike against their very being. But after so long they seem to get either banned or find something else to rage about.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeFrom my understanding of it, Icewind Dale 2's source code was lost, so we'll never see an Enhanced Edition of that one. So GemRB would be the only modern way to play it. Granted, I think GemRB also has a port for the Amiga. :)

Yes, I think it is worth stressing!

Huh, thought I saw it for normal Amigas (by that I mean you'd likely need an 060...) but Aminet only has MorphOS, but I do see elsewhere that 4.x got a port as well.

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Quoting: InterknetNever bought anything from dbrand myself, doubt I ever will - not because of this issue, but because of reasons such as I'm a cheapskate and I also don't particularly care much for cases/skins myself.

But anyway, dbrand's humour is generally funny, but "If you don't like it, move." doesn't come across very well and makes them seem rather up their own arse to be honest.

Their PS5 case is fantastic! Looks so much nicer than the white shell that it comes with.

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