Quoting: fagnerln

Quoting: ShabbyX> Half of anti-cheat is making sure the environment hasn't been tampered with, and this is extremely hard on Linux by design.

If anyone ever claims 'windows is secure now", show them this statement. These sort of invasive actions is impossible to do on Linux (and easy on windows), for the same reason we don't get viruses (but windows does).

I dislike windows and never installed on my PCs since 2014 (well, I have an old HDD with it because I needed to install an AMD application just to receive a steam key). But I believe that nowadays it's secure if the user uses it "moderately", just don't install any bullshit on the OS (prefer FOSS apps) and don't visit weird websites and you're good to go.

"Be careful what you do" is not security. There is no way anyone, even security researchers, could "just know" the website they visit is malware free, etc. browsers go to great length to sandbox websites for this very reason. They go to greater length than windows does to secure applications!

Anecdotally, my father in law constantly had things breaking on his windows laptop (because he clicks on everything). We switched him to Linux four years ago, not a single problem since (just an old battery that needed changing^). So an OS *can* be good, windows just isn't. You shouldn't have to take security into your own hands.

^ Ironically, the guy who changed his battery told him he should use windows, it's better :|

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> Half of anti-cheat is making sure the environment hasn't been tampered with, and this is extremely hard on Linux by design.

If anyone ever claims "windows is secure now", show them this statement. These sort of invasive actions is impossible to do on Linux (and easy on windows), for the same reason we don't get viruses (but windows does).

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Quoting: PublicNuisanceLet's apply some logic. You get caught not paying your ticket. They ask you to but you refuse. They call the police. The police tell you to but you refuse. The police issue you a ticket or straight out arrest you and you refuse to comply. They go to take you by force and you resist. They end up killing you in the struggle.

The flaw in this logic is that, the reason this person gets killed in the struggle is not that they didn't follow whatever law started this. The reason is that they attacked another human being and the other acted in self defense. The scenario is changed, and the matter of the original law is no longer relevant.

You can go to supermarket، <some conflict happens like you bump carts>, threaten people with a gun and get taken out by the police.

You can walk on the street، <some conflict happens like you step on someone's toes>, threaten people with a gun and get taken out by the police.

You can chew gum، <some conflict happens like someone says you're chewing too loudly>, threaten people with a gun and get taken out by the police.

We don't consider that we must be able to have people die to have supermarkets, walks outside, or chewing gum. That's also why we don't consider that when making (most) laws.

To your original point, I don't think anyone is arguing with you that the choice of software shouldn't be enforced. There was one comment, yes, but we generally all believe in that choice.

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Quoting: dibzMight be fighting words for some, but this makes me glad I'm a bit old hat and generally not a fan of rolling distributions, which is who this mainly applies to. This attack entered the effected package only a couple months ago for pete's sake.

12~6 years ago I used to upgrade to the latest Ubuntu version every 6 months, thinking Debian is unthinkable because 2 years between updates?!!1!1!

Then snaps happened and I put off upgrades since Ubuntu 2018, thinking I gotta change distros. Fast forward to 2024, I realized I hadn't upgraded my OS for 6 years*! Debian's 2 year cycle didn't seem so bad now :)

* Totally unrelated to my first kid being 6 years old now :-"

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Quoting: SamsaiIt might be possible to sandbox these things, but that will inevitably lead to these systems becoming less flexible and that will result in complaints about KDE and GNOME restricting user freedom or whatever. Maybe that'll still be worth it for themes but for widgets that'll get pretty tricky.

That's _exactly_ what they should be doing. Most people can live inside a browser (sandbox) for the entire time they use a computer, there's little reason to believe a sandbox would make some things impossible for a widget.

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My 7 year old loves playing this game with us. It's cute how he works so hard to gather ingredients to cook a dish and just eat it right away, lol (or drink milk right after milking the cow, because of course you need to drink your milk)

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Don't know if you've noticed, but recently (as in past decade), a lot of windows-isms have crept into Linux, which provide "convenience" while compromising on what makes Linux actually good.

Like, other than for Steam (and maybe a few downloaded software off the net), you (normal users, not devs) don't really have _executables_ lying around in your $HOME. Before, we were protected from viruses mostly through the mere fact that we don't log in as root (unlike windows), and our executables are only root-writable.

Now, however, a virus can much more easily spread on Linux through Steam game binaries (or flatpak etc) because they are readily writable. That's a security compromise to get the free-for-all windows-ism convenience.

And don't get me started on flatpak and the like.

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Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: ShabbyXNever underestimate how awesome Faith is! I'm excited to see what major issue she'll tackle next after nvk is done and left to others to maintain.

Based on her latest post on the matter [External Link] Maxwell support and performance.

I mean, that'd be great but at her speed it'll take, what, 1 month? :P

I'm thinking more long term, like overhaul the kernel graphics subsystem so all the problems are magically gone, that sort of scale.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: ShabbyX

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: mitridasSounds like I need to do some serious Wayland testing myself... thanks for letting me know.
Btw, if you press backspace in game you'll get a live perf graph - it should tell you whether the slowdown comes from the rendering (most likely) or something else.

Of course it's always good to support many different systems, but as a resort, you could narrow down your system requirements.

That's fine if forward looking (like, I don't support old drivers, x11, old glibc etc). Not a good idea if the requirements are that you can't use new stuff! That makes the game obsolete in no time.

Even of the GoL reads, two thirds are using X11:
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics/#SessionType-top

So in my humble opinion, X11 is not the old, but the current system.

Yes, x11 is majority now, but as the trend shows it's set to die out. Dropping support for wayland means the game is not runnable in 5 years, and fewer and fewer users each year until then. Dropping support for x11 on the other hand (if needed), means fewer users today, but support for all users after 5 years up to infinity years.

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Never underestimate how awesome Faith is! I'm excited to see what major issue she'll tackle next after nvk is done and left to others to maintain.

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