Is it a bit worrying that a few weeks before launch they keep saying the software is not ready? I'm actually fairly certain the original 2 months delay was to sort things out more in software, rather than chip shortage.

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Quoting: ShabbyX

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Quoting: Guesthttps://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2022-February/225668.html

To be fair on links, I originally saw it here:

http://tuxmachines.org/node/161051 [External Link]

That's pretty quick to have mesa supporting Vulkan 1.3 (even if it's only RC1 at the time of writing).

Mesa is bigger than just some open source drivers for a niche OS. It's actually a solid codebase with a lot of eyes on it.

Show some respect :tongue:

uh.....what?

Not sure if I'm reading it in the tone intended....

Mesa has traditionally waited until some spec is released before implementing it, meaning (at least in the past) it had lagged behind such support. Being already in a position to support Vulkan 1.3 suggests even more of a changing landscape, where Mesa is on par with the proprietary driver releases and that important new features are being provided at the same time between proprietary and FOSS drivers (thanks to community involvement).

The "show some respect part" was obviously a joke, but my reply was serious and it actually applies as a reply to your new comment too. Mesa is a big thing now. It had 1.3 conformance submissions submitted before 1.3 was even announced FYI.

Much like Linux itself, it's not so much the "community" that's driving it anymore as it is various companies.

Quite aware of where most Mesa development comes from and just how far it's come, but it's still a collection of drivers, developed in full view of and with the community. Equally however, AMD can't dictate development direction for the entirety of Mesa, nor can Intel, or anyone else. Having possible Vulkan 1.3 support so early is a compliment of how well Mesa is doing now, not a criticism, with underlying implication of hope that this will continue in the future.

If I mention that and it's read in a negative way, then I most definitely need to walk away from even more of the community.

Uh no, of course it was obvious you were complementing mesa. And yes, they are awesome. Perhaps you misunderstood my original comment. What I meant was "of course mesa is awesome, how dare you be surprised" in a joking way.

Not sure how you thought I would read your comments as a criticism of mesa, lol

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Quoting: ShabbyX

Quoting: Guesthttps://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2022-February/225668.html

To be fair on links, I originally saw it here:

http://tuxmachines.org/node/161051 [External Link]

That's pretty quick to have mesa supporting Vulkan 1.3 (even if it's only RC1 at the time of writing).

Mesa is bigger than just some open source drivers for a niche OS. It's actually a solid codebase with a lot of eyes on it.

Show some respect :tongue:

uh.....what?

Not sure if I'm reading it in the tone intended....

Mesa has traditionally waited until some spec is released before implementing it, meaning (at least in the past) it had lagged behind such support. Being already in a position to support Vulkan 1.3 suggests even more of a changing landscape, where Mesa is on par with the proprietary driver releases and that important new features are being provided at the same time between proprietary and FOSS drivers (thanks to community involvement).

The "show some respect part" was obviously a joke, but my reply was serious and it actually applies as a reply to your new comment too. Mesa is a big thing now. It had 1.3 conformance submissions submitted before 1.3 was even announced FYI.

Much like Linux itself, it's not so much the "community" that's driving it anymore as it is various companies.

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Quoting: Guesthttps://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2022-February/225668.html

To be fair on links, I originally saw it here:

http://tuxmachines.org/node/161051 [External Link]

That's pretty quick to have mesa supporting Vulkan 1.3 (even if it's only RC1 at the time of writing).

Mesa is bigger than just some open source drivers for a niche OS. It's actually a solid codebase with a lot of eyes on it.

Show some respect :tongue:

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Quoting: Liam DaweI'm not being "defensive", I'm attempting to make things clear about what is and isn't acceptable.

Well this is not the first time I see you get defensive. Again, I hope you consider my feedback as given with care.

Also, if this is "not acceptable", then you'd need to put it in the community rules (like, no profanity, no politics, no admission of preference of native) (though I strongly discourage that). If it's not written, it's not law.

Quoting: Liam DaweAnyway, Proton coverage will continue because that is Linux gaming and it's the biggest thing we have going right now next to the Steam Deck. If all people want is "native or nothing", they really should go elsewhere. I don't want to have to keep going over this.

No arguments about proton's role in Linux gaming, by all means do continue the coverage! :) But please don't say "go elsewhere"; we Linux users are already being told that enough by every other gaming news site, surely you don't like that yourself. Native Linux gamers are now a minority between Linux gamers, do you really want to treat them the same way windows gamers treat you?

I think you just need to accept this as a fact of life that people are going to voice their preference. You don't have to, and you shouldn't try to "keep going over it", because there is nothing to go over.

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The irony is that we are Linux gamers/users who frequently get ignored, and we do point that out on every website in the hope of improving the situation, and they also do sometimes say "well just stop reading this". It's the same thing really with proton vs native.

Also, no offense, and I do hope you try and take this feedback positiviely Liam, but try and be less defensive about critism; it's what makes us better.

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Quoting: Philadelphus

Quoting: ArehandoroLast night I dreamed that I was the first customer to receive the console, but somehow felt small, light and with a tiny screen. I mustn't read GOL before going to sleep xD

No no, see, that was the Dream Deck. Totally different console, but it's easy to see how they might be confused…

Now wait for Stream Deck!

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Quoting: Lofty(Actually can we get a steam controller 2 please whilst we are at it )

The Steamdeck is Valve's logical conclusion of their original plans for a second steam controller. Combine the haptics and sensors of the knuckles controllers and the touchpads of the original steam controller (which still exist on the deck just in a different form) and then add a screen to it like various Steam controller prototypes did. Then, "just" add a small PC into it and tada, Steam controller 2: a.k.a Steamdeck.

Was I dreaming it, or didn't they say you can use the deck as a controller to a pc? That's SC2 right there (a very expensive one though).

If that's not true, then they should make it true!

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Quoting: slaapliedjeMy other worry is all the people that will just buy this and install Windows on it... seems to defeat the purpose of the Deck for me; as who wants to deal with another Windows install...

While _some_ would inevitably do it (like some inevitably install Linux on anything that computes), I'm not too worried. It'd be a miserable experience IMO. Windows is not attempting to make itself look like a console, so it'll give pop ups, update at the worst times etc. Some might bear it to have more games, but it will definitely remove the nice just-pick-it-up-and-game feeling.

Also, while some higher end games have problems with proton, I seriously doubt those would be the kind of games people play on this!

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> everything feels like someone set a knocked a magical speed dial up

Luckily implementing such magic in computer games is as easy as `*2`.

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