Quoting: telanus

Quoting: Mountain Man

I literally don't know what they are doing now. This "no way for us to provide DLC for DRM Free users" just makes zero sense.

It's because if someone in a multiplayer game owns the DLC then all connected players will be able to play as the new characters, which means all the coding and assets are installed on all copies of the game. The developers use an online check -- basically Steam -- to see whether or not a player has bought the DLC. I'm not sure there is an elegant way to allow such a feature in the DRM-free version that wouldn't be trivial to circumvent with a simple .ini edit.

THing is, steam won't stop piracy, especially with stuff like SSE (steam emu) and CreamAPI (a dlc unlocker). THe newest DLC is already on TPB so using it as an excuse is total BS. Steam DRM is extremely weak and so easy to get past.

It's probably not so much to stop piracy as it is to prevent typical users from using trivial work-arounds in order to get the DLC for free. Your average consumer would be more likely to try a simple "hack" like editing an .ini file than they would to search torrent portals and warez sites for cracked copies.

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Quoting: Colombo

Quoting: Mountain Man

I literally don't know what they are doing now. This "no way for us to provide DLC for DRM Free users" just makes zero sense.

It's because if someone in a multiplayer game owns the DLC then all connected players will be able to play as the new characters, which means all the coding and assets are installed on all copies of the game. The developers use an online check -- basically Steam -- to see whether or not a player has bought the DLC. I'm not sure there is an elegant way to allow such a feature in the DRM-free version that wouldn't be trivial to circumvent with a simple .ini edit.

You are the first person who did not just complained but tried to see where exactly problem could be.

That was information I gleaned from the GoG thread. Here's the actual post:

An email I got from the devs:

"Hi Kristian,

We closely monitor who engages with Armello and it's no longer viable for us to continuously update the DRM Free version of Armello. The game will continue to exist in it's current state and we're proud of how far we've been able to take it.

As online services are required to verify if any given player has access to the DLC heroes, it's not compatible with the DRM-Free version of Armello.

Thanks,

Lisy Kane
Producer"

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/armello_drmfree_edition_now_available_on_gog_2b6bf/post170 [External Link]

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Quoting: Comandante oardoValve and CDPROJEKT did MISLEADING ADVERTISING with obvious bad intentions against us, the customers.

I seriously doubt Valve took it on themselves to advertise that Witcher 3 was coming to SteamOS, so the blame for this lies squarely on CDProjekt who apparently changed their plans as development progressed.

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I literally don't know what they are doing now. This "no way for us to provide DLC for DRM Free users" just makes zero sense.

It's because if someone in a multiplayer game owns the DLC then all connected players will be able to play as the new characters, which means all the coding and assets are installed on all copies of the game. The developers use an online check -- basically Steam -- to see whether or not a player has bought the DLC. I'm not sure there is an elegant way to allow such a feature in the DRM-free version that wouldn't be trivial to circumvent with a simple .ini edit.

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Quoting: TakeThatYouStupidCorn

Quoting: Mountain ManApparently this is not unique to Armello as there are a number of newer games that have been similarly "abandoned". I guess GoG doesn't have agreements or systems in place to simplify or encourage long-term support. If developers find it easier to simply "abandon" their games instead of continuing support through your storefront then you as the shop owner need to figure out why. It's not all on the developers.

I don't think GOG is blameless, but I have my doubts their actions were out of stupidity (at least, until I have indications otherwise). I don't know what their agreement was, but they are a smaller store, they don't have the leverage Steam has to demand things even if they wanted. That being said, as far as I know, Steam doesn't have a clause about devs supporting games equal to other store fronts - probably because they don't think it's needed. Why should GOG presume they need a clause where it could be reasonably presumed from past experience that selling a product means supporting a product.

In the past, I don't recall games getting partial support because you backed the wrong horse. I could be wrong, but to me, this is a new and troubling problem.

If you see similar behavior from multiple developers then it's hard to place the blame on any one of them.

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Quoting: TakeThatYouStupidCorn

Quoting: Mountain ManI'm honestly baffled by this anti-Steam sentiment. If not for Steam and Valve's efforts in promoting Linux gaming, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Refusing to buy from Steam is a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I don't read this as anti-Steam sentiment, more of a "the developer doesn't support store fronts they agreed to support (by offering their product there). Maybe this isn't the kind of developer we want to put our money toward."

Quoting: Mountain ManHonestly, not seeing much discussion in that link. Lots of bitching and moaning, though.

With all due respect, why is that such an awful thing? They choose to buy a game expecting full support, that support was pulled. Can't people vent their frustrations? Why be so dismissive of a pretty normal human reaction?

Apparently this is not unique to Armello as there are a number of newer games that have been similarly "abandoned". I guess GoG doesn't have agreements or systems in place to simplify or encourage long-term support. If developers find it easier to simply "abandon" their games instead of continuing support through your storefront then you as the shop owner need to figure out why. It's not all on the developers.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Mountain ManI'm honestly baffled by this anti-Steam sentiment. If not for Steam and Valve's efforts in promoting Linux gaming, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Refusing to buy from Steam is a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Well, that's the kind of statement that you expect from an *buntu user that most likely has been using Windows until a few years back (or even still uses it).

If the people behind GNU and Linux had had your attitude, we indeed would not have anything to discuss about right now.

Distro elitism. Nice.

Not that it matters but I have used Linux as my primary OS for nearly two decades. I experimented with Red Hat and Mandrake at first before settling on Slackware, moved to Gentoo for a long stretch, and switched to Kubuntu several years ago because it's easier to manage. Lately I've been looking at Debian and OpenSuse (Yast is pretty slick) but haven't decided if I want to make the switch. I kept Windows around exclusively for gaming, but thanks to Valve and the dramatic advancement in Linux gaming over the past couple years, I was finally able to wipe my Windows partition without giving up my favorite hobby.

Does that sufficiently establish my Linux "cred" to allow me to express my opinion?

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Quoting: Avehicle7887Regardless of how good the Steam version may be, this is one dev that's going straight to my never-to-buy-from list.

I'm honestly baffled by this anti-Steam sentiment. If not for Steam and Valve's efforts in promoting Linux gaming, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Refusing to buy from Steam is a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Quoting: Avehicle7887...it has been a heavily discussed issue for a couple of days now already, Link To Thread. [External Link]

Honestly, not seeing much discussion in that link. Lots of bitching and moaning, though.

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The dynamic resolution works pretty good. I set it to 30-FPS, and it really smoothed out my experience.

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Armello is a fantastic game wth a top-notch presentation. Not perfect but very, very good. My only criticism is that there's not much to do "off-turn" other than look for opportunities to use some of your cards. Otherwise, you're just sitting and waiting for other players to finish their turns so you can play again. Thankfully you can put the AI on fast-turns which makes the game go much faster, but this is obviously not an option when you're playing with other humans. Other than that, it's very fun. I keep hoping League of Geeks will address this shortcoming with a future expansion.

I'll definitely give the new characters a try once I get some cash.

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