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Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: ArehandoroMy order availability now says after Q2 2022. Therefore nothing for another 6 months approx.

"Another 6 months" would translate to "Q3".

Well, "after Q2" and "Q3" is not too contradictory...

Indeed. I missed the "after".

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Quoting: ArehandoroMy order availability now says after Q2 2022. Therefore nothing for another 6 months approx.

"Another 6 months" would translate to "Q3".

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Just got this mail

We want to give you a heads up that starting February 1, Mac and Linux versions of the DRM-free games currently in the Humble Trove will no longer be available.

As a Humble Choice member, you can still download them to keep for your personal collection until January 31. Windows PC versions of many of these games will still be available to download in the upcoming Humble app, alongside the brand-new Humble Games Collection.

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Quoting: HoolyI think so too, they are probably using an A/B-model, which means that you have two installations of the OS at every time
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Or they use btrfs-subvolumes and allocate storage dynamically.

Not exactly, they run on ostree, like Fedora Silverblue. It's a bit like a git repo, or guix/nix. It has deduplication, rollback, versioning, atomic updates. That's really promising tech, I'd have picked the same.

Let's try to come up with a basic estimate

• Base Arch Install: 100 MiB


• LLVM plus mesa: 300 MiB


• Web browser: 200 MiB


• Steam: 300 MiB


• Proton: 600 MiB


• KDE Plasma plus base KDE applications: 2 GiB


• Base Flatpak runtimes (freedesktop.org, VAAPI, mesa): 700 MiB

Total: 4.2 GiB. I'm falling short, but there could be more pre-installed software like Discord, plus probably a boot partition (might be a btrfs subvolume, not sure which FS they use), and possibly a "system restore" partition that might double the size, although I would personally make that a webinstall at about 150MiB.

Any other ideas?

Where did you get a base install size of 100MiB? Granted, I am on Ubuntu but

• the minimal kernel alone (no modules) requires 110MB of disc space. Add some kernel modules, firmware, basic libraries and GNU tools...


• Browser? Which one? Firefox comes in at around 250MiB, Chromium is considerably larger.


• Steam? Runtime and libs - we are getting into GiBs without any Proton version (bin32 - 800+MiB, bin64 - 300MiB,...)


• Mesa? The 64bit libgl1-mesa-dri reports 456MB, the i386 version 439MB plus Vulkan drivers. llvm clocks in at 100MiB per architecture.

That's Ubuntu, but I seriously doubt that Arch can do with a mere fraction of these binary sizes.

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Quoting: AussieEevee

Quoting: Glog78I haven't said anything in a long time, but i am really "pissed" off what is currently happening. If i wanted a os which takes my hand and makes assumptions or decissions for me i would have stayed with windows or mac os ...

There is an override switch.

It's not making assumptions or decisions for you. It simply has a protection to prevent removing system critical packages by accident.

No one is taking anything away from you. apt is simply being made more newbie friendly. You can still break your system as much as you want.

More newbie friendly or for me another fucking option i need to remember and which because it should be newbie friendly won't be easy to find again (once in a blue moon when i am in charge of a debian based system) .... Specially ubuntu has been developed to a hell of a package management ...

You don't update snap -> oh the gui tool breaks because it tries to update snaps first. Oh after you got down and notice you need a new snap version you finally can now update the package ... synaptic using apt-get ... apt-get using apt .... which tool will give you now the option ? will they all be adapted or will because we are newbe friendly only that one hidden switch for apt (lowest level) be able to do what i want ? Also why did kde adapt something which clearly belongs into the hand of package management ? And does synaptic now do the same or whatever gui package manager you use ?

Perhaps you should refrain from posting again. Because this all sounds like ... well "unsubstantial ranting". First Snap. Since when do you update snaps by yourself? Granted you can, but by default they are updated autonomously and will never, ever conflict with your deb-packages (that's after all one of their selling points). Then you have synaptic (my favorite package manager) which does nothing else than provide a gui frontend for apt-*. And apt-get doesn't invoke apt, apt is just a "better apt-get". And yes it doesn't matter whether you use apt, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic or Gnome Software - they always use the same repos and they always install/uninstall or update the same packages.

Besides: Pretty much all distros nowadays prevent you from executing a sudo rm -fr / May I ask why? Legend has it that it was introduced because too many "elitist" found it oh so funny to troll newbies with this command...

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Quoting: scaineYeah, it's definitely a shambles. I remember thinking, "magic, Wayland will sort all this". But it doesn't really. I think the bulk of it sits in the DE, which is why I'm now pinning my hopes on KDE! :grin:

My multi-monitor problems on my RX5700 were caused by the AMD drivers and/or firmware. Once this got sorted out (for my setup) the DE and X or Wayland didn't matter.

For reference https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/929 [External Link] - and after two years it's still open. Fun fact: The same hardware tested briefly with Win 10 didn't expose any problems with multi-monitor setups, but the screen went static in irregular intervals...

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: GuestThe fact this slipped through System 76's internal testing is absolutely inexcusable!

Also, who actually ignores warning messages and proceeds regardless?

What other options does he have as an "uninformed user"? You get the information that some packages are being removed. So? Then he would have to know what this packages are actually good for. And as already mentioned: He had no other option than to hit "y" if he wanted Steam.

He could have asked Anthony, but being stubborn, didn't.

I get the impression Linus is not as clueless as he makes out and ultimately manipulated his viewers.

Most likely not. But that's the point. AFAIK they agreed not to turn to third parties. We (at least a vocal portion of us) are constantly claiming how super-easy, barely an inconvenience it is to install a mainstream Linux distro. He just did what any Joe Average would do. Nothing else.

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Quoting: ageresBut then I realize it's about some guy from YouTube.

"Some guy" is putting it mildly. I'd say a lot more potential Linux users out there know Linus Sebastian but have never heard of Linus Torvalds before.

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Quoting: GuestThe fact this slipped through System 76's internal testing is absolutely inexcusable!

Also, who actually ignores warning messages and proceeds regardless?

What other options does he have as an "uninformed user"? You get the information that some packages are being removed. So? Then he would have to know what this packages are actually good for. And as already mentioned: He had no other option than to hit "y" if he wanted Steam.

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Quoting: kalinI tried popos and it was the same garbage as ubuntu. After some update the system got broken. From my experience manjaro is far better choice then anything Debian based. Turd is a turd no matter how much chocolate topping you put on

Grow up. Will you?

Seriously, this distro/DE/init system/display server bashing is just plain tiring. I have been working on Ubuntu since 8.04 and never (yes, never!) experienced any groundbreaking problems, yet I have never felt inclined to name-calling other distributions.

(BTW you should run Arch and mention it accordingly. Manjaro! How lame is that!)

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