Sadly this was inevitable. Proton basically does their job for them and takes money and business away from them, it should be no surprise that now proton is so stable and advanced that porting studios like these guys don't try to port to Linux or update their ports as much anymore, after all, proton has already done it for them.

Big game studios won't want to contract them because "Why? Linux gamers can just use proton since it works, why do we need feral to do it?"

It's sad but it's true, whatever way it went proton was always going to hurt the small porting houses if it was successful.

But still, you must show them respect and gratitude for the work they did for the Linux community in the early days.

I do however believe they will find another way to make money or find a way where their services are still required.

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Hmm, how does this one work? Is it like a game pass?

What I mean to ask, once your subscription ends, does the DLC that was released during your active subscription remain on your account like a game pass?

Or does it get removed?

If it stays on your account, I could see it being worthwhile.

If I remember correctly, this is the team behind the City Skyline GT-R city building games, if so that ones DLC could sure use this.

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Another reason to think of it as a bad thing and why we should reject it:

One game which requires a kernel module? You can ignore that game (and therefore the module).. But the game is still popular so other companies see it mostly works, so another game studio tries it.

Again, only a small percentage of users reject it. Thus more studios see it's okay to do it. So again, more games start adding it.

Next thing you know, you'll find every new game requires its own kernel module to be installed, and if you want to play games you must always give game studios full access over your computer.

Then it'll move over to other industries like music and movies to stop piracy.. so you'll need a module from them too.

Can this really be justified? Honestly.. imo no. At this point, you basically don't have the right to control your computer anymore if using their software.

Sadly, you always get a small group of people who can see it's a bad thing and try to stop it.. but you also always get a large group of people who don't understand why it's bad (no one explained it properly) or defeatists who simply say "well you can't stop it anyway" and allow it to happen.

Just look at the EARN IT act, or the many spying laws in the UK to see how that works.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: ShmerlBut no, they can't already do it, unless you let them. So this logic is garbage, becasue they imply that you should let them.

You have to let them if you want to use their software. That's the situation. If anyone likes it or not or if it should be done or not is beyond the point.

So, assuming that someone is a player of Fortnite, they already let them and so the devs already have access. Someone who isn't a Fortnite player (or other similar games) isn't bothered by any of this anyway.

Quoting: BlackBloodRumThe are big differences being:

1) With user level privileges (on Linux, without SUDO enabled) they can only collect info on the current user and that users related processes (things that user has access to). Other users and their information are safe.
2) When the game stops, the spying stops so long as its process is ended.
3) We can write apparmor or SELinux profiles or put it in other sandboxes to limit the information it has.
4) When a kernel module is involved, it has access to everything.
5) You can't sandbox it.
6) A kernel module starts up when your kernel starts, it stops when your kernel stops, so it is basically active the entire time you use your computer.

1) Completely irrelevant for 99% of people. I don't know if I've even seen people sharing PCs with different people using different accounts in the last 15+ years and I've been living in 3 different countries and seen lots of homes (I'd say)...
2) So? If the game devs wanted to find out something about you, they could do it while the game is running, including information not only pertaining to the game. Little need for spyware to run permanently unless remote access was the goal.
3) That's the hoops I was talking about.
4-6) Yes, but as I wrote, all of that doesn't really let you do more to gain personal information about a user. Most of that was already possible before. Albeit involving more work, but if someone really wanted to, they could.

The entire thing comes down to a trust problem. Do you trust a dev not to do "bad things" with access you give them?
If so, you can give them access.
If not, no technicality is ever going to make you "feel safe" unless you manage to run the entire thing sandboxed (not sure if possible and/or performance impact for games).

Wow.

Well that would be your decision your welcome to it.

But personally I don't understand how someone could be okay with allowing a third party to basically have full reign over their computer and what it does.

For me it's more about system integrity and security.

Personally I could never trust it. For example a kernel module can change firewall rules in such a way its undetectable from the userspace, it could install other software silently, it could remove software, remove or edit files etc. Afterall, it has kernel level access. It can do absolutely anything, silently and undetectably.

I accept and understand you're okay with that.. and that's certainly a choice you're welcome to make, but it won't be on my systems.

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Waiting for a windows user to say "But there's not enough games for SteamOS!" :huh:

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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: ShmerlHear that? These idiots are claiming that their increasing spying on your is OK because they already could spy on you. With this kind of garbage logic, there is no end to it.

Except that's no garbage logic, but 100% correct.
It is exceedingly easy to spy on users already, with only user level privileges.

The are big differences being:

1) With user level privileges (on Linux, without SUDO enabled) they can only collect info on the current user and that users related processes (things that user has access to). Other users and their information are safe.
2) When the game stops, the spying stops so long as its process is ended.
3) We can write apparmor or SELinux profiles or put it in other sandboxes to limit the information it has.
4) When a kernel module is involved, it has access to everything.
5) You can't sandbox it.
6) A kernel module starts up when your kernel starts, it stops when your kernel stops, so it is basically active the entire time you use your computer.

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If they brought this to Linux in the form of a kernel module.. you betcha I ain't installing it. I don't care if it works or not.

Install a rootkit that can't be inspected on my own system that works to limit my actions as well as could potentially give him, and his company complete and full access and control over my computer just to stop a few cheaters?

No thanks, you can keep your game. Running outside of userspace just for a video game? Then it's not running on my computer. Not even my steam deck (when it arrives).

Call me old fashioned if you will, but put bluntly...

No.

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Well this is the first time I've heard about NFT, but from what I very briefly read it's putting cryptocurrency exchanges/wallets into video games?

Yeah that's a stupid, dangerous and bad idea whichevr way you spin it.

If you're gonna do crypto.. get it from proper places intended for it, and keep a real crypto wallet, that's not tied to an exchange (or game? wtf?).

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Yeah.. cancer sucks.

Every man in my family dies by 50 because of cancer.. we call it the family curse :tongue:

My grandad died of cancer at 50, my mother has had cancer treatment, my father (who I haven't spoken to in 10+ years) has had cancer.. so I know I'm gonna die by 50 too.

However, my trick is to not see doctors.. that way I can go like my grandad.. he just thought he was ill due to a car crash he had.. nobody told him he had cancer or that he was going to die (despite his doctors and my grandma being aware).

It sucks, but I know it will come for me by 50 lol.

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Quoting: Mountain ManThere are plenty of Linux native options for ripping music CDs. I've been using K3B for years, and it works great, but there are many others if that's not to your liking.

Quoting: iskaputtNot exactly on topic, but did you try whipper as an alternative? I've been using it for my CD collection and it usually works just fine. It checks the rips against the musicbrainz database and pulls other metadata from there as well. I know that some people swear by EAC, but maybe this works for you.

https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper [External Link]

Sadly.. due to my usage case, while Linux apps do a perfect job of ripping audio, the log files produced are not satisfactory.. let's just say it's for "not linux's fault" reasons and not entirely down to my own decision.

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