Quoting: CorbenOr just wait until Valve has re-encoded the videos, like they already did for many others (Exo One).

The problem with that plan is that there are also games for which it never seems to happen.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: EhvisIn the end, the only solution that would satisfy the creators of client side anti-cheat would be to have some sort of a signed Linux system that they can get root access to.

Not really. I mean, that's what they want to do, because that's what they do on Windows, and having your application running all the time gets you valuable marketing and metrics. But userspace applications under Linux can have secure enclaves that are hidden from other applications, from the kernel, from hypervisors, whatever. They don't need kernel-level client-side anti-cheat; they just want it.

Aren't you kind of arguing against yourself now? Why would a company that believes in the value of client side anti cheat want their system hidden from the kernel? That goes against their philosophy.

Quoting: rustybroomhandleOh dear, that paradox again. He's worried about a big influx of cheaters from a negligibly small market?

If it works and money can be made, it would grow quickly among cheaters. Do any of us really want to see Linux gaming grow "that" way?

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Quoting: CorbenHow about learning to fix it? What use does EAC have if it's compatible with Wine/Linux but it's not safely protecting from cheating?
Thank's Tim for destroying any hopes for games using this POS (piece of software :P) to be running on Linux.
I can't believe it... this statement renders all efforts from Valve bringing these games to Linux or the Deck worthless...

That's the whole point, it can't be fixed. It isn't even really working right now. What he says is correct. Windows has a limited set of binaries coming from Microsoft and other driver developers. The Linux kernel can be configured in any number of ways that lead to a near infinite number of possible binaries. And if you rely on knowing what is there, then you have an unsolvable problem.

Whether all this actually leads to a "working" anti-cheat is highly debatable. It is well known that neither EAC, nor BE prevent cheating entirely. Which makes it soft of like a barrier. The higher the barrier, the more skill it takes to get around it and the fewer people that will actually bother. And as he said, this does depend on what "value" can be gained by doing so. This also explains why the native versions of AC (which do not get root access), are rated as a lower form of anti-cheat than their windows counterparts. This was never going to change, even with the work that Valve was doing.

In the end, the only solution that would satisfy the creators of client side anti-cheat would be to have some sort of a signed Linux system that they can get root access to. While this might work for the Steam Deck, I doubt many of us would tolerate that. So until it is fully demonstrated that client side anti-cheat is ineffective, even as a barrier, we'll be out of luck.

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Not surprised at all. This was actually the response I was expecting for having wine/proton support to begin with. If you prescribe to the idea that client side AC is effective, then not having complete control and insight into the system is a big issue.

It also demonstrates that Tim can come across much more reasonable when he explains his thought process instead of just dumping statements.

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Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: Guestisn't hitman one of those games that run better with proton even on windows? lol

Not sure I get your point but Hitman runs perfectly via Proton, no issues at all. So it's not a poor performance or unstable release(?) as far as I have experienced.

I think you didn't quite get the essence of the post you replied to.

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Firewatch is verified now. Might be a good one to test 3d control without being rushed.

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Quoting: CorbenLooking forward to when the PPA updates. I hope they don't forget to whitelist the necessary 32bit libraries, maybe that's why it takes a bit longer for the update to arrive.
On Arch the new driver is already available.

It's there now.

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Quoting: robvv

Quoting: EhvisWhen you click on the games tab, you see a short flash. That is your games library. Click one very quickly and install it.

Thanks. Unfortunately it seems that even using nice and cpulimit, my machine renders too fast and I do not get the flash! I'm currently experimenting with repeatedly launching the Amazon app immediately after it crashes so that I can download the freebies 30sec at a time :-)

I'll have a look in the prefix tonight and see if there's something in the files that can be changed to get the same effect.

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Quoting: robvv

Quoting: EhvisTrue. But you can install the Twitch App through Lutris and with some fiddling you can make it show your library instead of pointing you to the Amazon app.

Right, I've installed the Twitch app and my accounts are already linked. Could you please explain how to make the Twitch app show the games? Thanks :-)

When you click on the games tab, you see a short flash. That is your games library. Click one very quickly and install it. Once you have one installed, it won't switch away from it and you'll have normal access.

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Quoting: robvvThis is good news and I have claimed the key! On a related note the Amazon Games Client doesn't seem to work at all for me on Linux at the moment, crashing after about 30 seconds.

True. But you can install the Twitch App through Lutris and with some fiddling you can make it show your library instead of pointing you to the Amazon app.

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