Quoting: LinuxGamesTVStadia? Is Stadia Linux or not?

Stadia is Linux on Google's servers, not on your home machine. That makes a working anti-cheat solution much less of a concern.

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To be honest, Bungie are not necessarily being unreasonable here. They seem to be saying that they have their hands full with keeping up with cheating now on the platforms that they support. At this time it is not worth it for them to extend support to another platform with possible new, unknown cheating methods.

Of course, if the market gets big enough, then it may become worth it for them to support the Steam Deck. Also, the effectiveness of client-side anti-cheat is debatable.

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If he had said, 'We'll be shipping tens of thousands,' or 'We'll have shipped tens of thousands,' then it would have to be twenty thousand or more he was talking about. However, he said, "We'll be in the tens of thousands." Technically, that only means at least ten thousand. When you go from 9,999 to 10,000 you leave the thousands and enter the tens of thousands, and when you go from 99,999 to 100,000 you leave the tens of thousands and enter the hundreds of thousands.

All that aside, I doubt they will go from only 10,000 the first month to over 100,000 the second month, which would be ten times the production. Most likely there will be several tens of thousands shipped the first month and well over one hundred thousand the second month. If they made 80,000 the first month and only tripled production the second month they would be at 240,000 for the second month (or 320,000 total). That seems a more realistic way to view the comment (though the numbers could be less and still work).

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I picked up the Overwhelmingly Positive Gems bundle on Humble recently.

Steam lists three of the titles with native versions:
Kathy Rain: The Director's Cut
Huntdown (for some reason not listed as Linux native on the bundle page)
Finding Paradise

All other titles are rated Gold or higher on ProtonDB, though I didn't look into the specifics of what tweaks might need to be made for the gold ones.

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Quoting: elmapulactually that is bad...
i cant remember the name, but there were an console in the past that was killed because it announced it sequel too soon.
people stop purchasing thinking: why should i buy an <console_name> if they gonna relase the <console_name2> soon and the one i just purchased will be obsolete? i will wait for the <console_name2> instead!
as an result, the company stop selling <console_name> and went broke before they could relase the <console_name2>...

i'm not saying valve will go broke, but announce an steamdeck2 too soon may afect the sales of steam deck 1.

You're right that announcing a Steam Deck 2 with a release target now would be a mistake. However, he didn't do that. Basically, he just said that they plan to continue with handheld consoles. Yes, you know there will most likely be a Steam Deck 2. However, you also know there will most likely be a Playstation 6. Anyone who is waiting for the final iteration of a console is going to be waiting forever. I'm sure that there are people at Valve talking about what the appropriate length of time is to wait before considering the release of the next iteration.

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Quoting: AussieEevee

Quoting: CFWhitmanthe reason for not using that version is because they can't control Linux machines that other people run like Stadia servers can be controlled. They have the 'Linux is a cheating risk' mindset.

I've heard this argument before, but the same applies to the entire PC ecosystem, not just Linux.

A quick google finds me a Forbes article saying that anger over Destiny 2 cheating is reaching a tipping point.(Apr 2020)
And a player one article saying that cheaters have returned despite new anti-cheat measures (Oct 2021).

I assume the majority of these cheaters are on the Windows platform.

I didn't say that they were correct. I just said that was their mindset. There are some that see Linux as a cracker's OS.

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Quoting: AussieEevee

Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: AussieEeveeI can fully understand not wanting to spend the time and resources to make a native port.

They already spent those resources. The Stadia version uses Vulkan and runs on Linux.

If they have, then it seems silly not to use that version to support the Deck.

To them, the reason for not using that version is because they can't control Linux machines that other people run like Stadia servers can be controlled. They have the 'Linux is a cheating risk' mindset. They also don't think that it will be a big deal because they don't see Steam Deck owners unwilling to run Windows or use Stadia to be a significant market. They could change their tune when there is a lot bigger market (as I expect there to be as long as Valve can manufacture them fast enough).

There was a time that I was somewhat interested in playing Destiny 2, though I never have. At this point, though, I had already pretty much lost interest. I'm not sure if I could become interested again or not. I'm not going to buy it to play on Windows, though, that's for certain.

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Quoting: pete910Link to vid ?

I believe it is somewhere in his live Q&A video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ9kVrTWkUU [External Link]
Unfortunately, I don't remember where in this 2 hour video he talks about it. I'm not even sure it's the right one since I have watched all of his Steam Deck videos.

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Quoting: BloodScourgeI'll miss wobbly snowy rocks... not! :tongue:

I have that game in my Steam library, but I haven't gotten to it in my backlog. Now I'll never get to experience "wobbly snowy rocks." Darn! (actually: Phew!)

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Quoting: ridgeAnyway, I wonder, how come people are so eager to install SteamOS on their desktop computers? What sets it apart from Arch with KDE Plasma, or Manjaro KDE, both of which will supply a more recent kernel?

I really don't think that most people who are interested in running SteamOS are interested in running it on "their desktop computers." That is, I think that most are not interested in running it on something they will use as a desktop, but on something they will use as a 'Steam Machine.' So people are eager to get it to run on a living room PC or a handheld PC other than the Steam Deck, such as an Aya Neo or OneXPlayer. There could be a few people who have a dedicated gaming desktop that will find it appropriate, but I think the majority of Linux desktop users would prefer something else on their regular desktops. Of course, there are always those who just want to experiment with every new distribution.

I personally would like to see SteamOS 3 running properly on my Aya Neo Pro and on a living room PC, so I could be judging everyone by myself. Right now, though, ChimeraOS is already pretty good for a living room PC, though not as good for a handheld PC because of the lack of power management tools.

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