Quoting: Colombo

and I doubt more than a tiny fraction of other people do

You can doubt that, but you will be wholly incorrect to think it is only tiny fraction of people.

Yeah, in retrospect that was an unwarranted assumption on my part out of pique, and I apologize.

Quoting: ColomboAs we previously stated, X_release > X_supported. So if what you say is true:

X_release < game_price => buy_game, otherwise don't_buy

Which means that the X_release perceived value must be sufficient.

Yes? If a game's not in a state I think I'll enjoy at the moment I buy it, no sale. I'm not going to bank on it changing in the future. If it does, great; more bonus for me. If not, I got exactly what I expected to get.

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Quoting: KelsThe famed "bright red mud" of Prince Edward Island in Canada (excellent potato growing soil) comes to mind as well.

Interesting, hadn't heard of that.

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Quoting: TheRiddickThe Martian surface isn't actually this red, those were/are doctored images by NASA (unknown reasons). No tinfoil, real.

Anyone with a telescope can look at Mars by eye (as I've done, as an astronomer) and verify that it actually is that color. No conspiracy theories needed. :)

You can also visit Mauna Kea in Hawaii if you'd like an example of someplace that red here on Earth (it's the best Mars-analog we have, they test rovers there before sending them to Mars).

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Quoting: MayeulC

Barring some purely fantastic elements that are best saved for a future dev diary, the scientific aspect in Surviving Mars is realistic

* Sees wind turbines in the trailer *
* Facepalm *

I didn't even think of that. Good catch. That was one of the big mistakes in The Martian, when a storm blew the space ship over to kick off the plot. In reality, the Martian atmosphere is so thin that even a 100 mile-per-hour wind would feel like a gentle breeze.

The dust devils also wouldn't be a threat in terms of wind despite their appearance in the trailer (though they'd get dust everywhere, which could present its own problems).

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Quoting: ColomboSo A can be both "true" and "false" at the same time, depending on assumptions of other people. If person X consider A to be true, than A|X = TRUE. If Y consider it false, then A|Y = FALSE. Obviously, from this example, A can be both true or false. You will get global answer if you integrate through all people: A| \int_\Omega.

Y'know, strange as it is to say, I actually understand your point now. Thanks for clarifying. I don't AGREE with your assumption that continuing support is somehow part of the initial price of the game, and I doubt more than a tiny fraction of other people do, but I can see now it's pointless debating it further, so I bid you a good day sir.

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Quoting: ColomboIf there is such expectation, and previously, while Paradox was known for releasing games in state that can be described as open beta, it was also known for eventually fixing all the bugs and people bought their knowing and expecting that, then it is not "free". It is part of the price I bought the game for.

On the other hand, I bought EU IV sometime after it'd had its second expansion. I'd never heard of Paradox before and had no knowledge of their practices; two expansions was usually the limit for most games I'd played up to that point. I therefore bought it "as-is", with no expectation of further improvements (and was perfectly satisfied with what I got, too). Ergo, by your logic, the patches are free for me because I wasn't expecting them when I bought the game.

And here we have a logical contradiction. Patches cannot objectively be both free and not-free at the same time. If a new patch does not cost you additional money at the time of download, then by the accepted dictionary definition of the term it is objectively free. End of story.

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Still playin' on 1.7 with all the modpacks there. 1.7 best patch! :D

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Quoting: ColomboParadox removed westernization and added "idea" spread (whatever it is called). But you can't interact with it unless you have several DLCs.

Institutions. Interacting with them requires the ability to develop, which is unlocked by a single DLC. That being said, I will agree that's one of the few things that should not have been a paid feature, as Paradox then proceeded to balance things around it that they really shouldn't have. They've tacitly admitted themselves that it was a mistake, but aren't sure how to fix it yet.

Quoting: ColomboAlso, that nonsense that patches are somehow FREE... could you please STOP repeat this nonsense?

I'm sorry, but what? I get patches for each Paradox game I own every couple of months that I can download without paying a cent. That seems like (one of) the definition(s) of "free" to me. :)

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Just got this a few days ago, and boy does it look pretty. I'm still struggling to control my hypersensitive spaceship in combat, but I suppose that'll come with time. :)

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This time, all contracts are available at the start with a new ConTracker item to help you keep track.

This is technically true (and also what it says in the patch notes), but it turns out it's slightly more complicated: you start with a single contract available from the pass, and when you complete contracts you get 'stars' that you can use to unlock others in a sort of tree structure. So it's true that all contracts are available as soon as you unlock them (which could potentially be the same day you buy the pass), but you can't just jump in and start with whichever one you feel like. Just wanted to clarify.

Otherwise the update seems pretty good, servers were struggling yesterday like they always do on release, but I played a match later in the day and had fun. So many Pyros, though, and the new Pyro weapon, the Dragon's Fury, is a beast. Also the new banjo taunt for Engineer is great. :D

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Quoting: KelsI've been seeing discussion about this, wondering just what the devs who leaked are getting out of this. Seeing as sales are traditionally depressed right before a sale people know the date of, this just hurts their full-price income. It's not exactly a benefit, and in fact I don't really see anything positive for the leakers.

I've read things by people talking about the impact of Steam sales, where they talk about how they expected to make less money from the sale but actually made a lot more. It seems to be that, instead of getting, say 1,000 people to buy your product at 100% price, dropping to 50% doesn't get you 2,000 people buying for twice the sales (for the same overall profit), but much more than twice the sales.

Like, I have a number of games on my wishlist that I'm only kinda-sort interested in, probably not enough to buy them at full price no matter how long I wait (given that I already have plenty of games competing for my interest). But drop the price by 20, 30,…,75 percent, and suddenly I'm giving it another thought (currently trying to decide on Everspace, which is 33% off at the moment. :) )

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