Needs the 'Open Source' tag too, doesn't it?

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It pleases me to see this project is still alive.

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Anyone know if you can still get the GemRB compatible version of Planescape: Torment with the Enhanced Edition?

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You'd think we'd have a decent OSS alternative to GameMaker by now.

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Quoting: DolusDoesn't this qualify for the 'open source' tag? Also, fullscreen seems broken in 17.10.

It should, but I'm pretty sure Liam didn't add it cause I didn't get around to updating the source on github :(!
Regarding fullscreen, It's all my bad there. My implementation of it is so awful that it behaves differently across the same distributions depending on how many monitors you have. One of these days I'll re-write the HOST in SDL to get rid of all the problems.

Looking forward to it.

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Doesn't this qualify for the 'open source' tag? Also, fullscreen seems broken in 17.10.

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This community has been fractured for the sake of a thing it never needed in the first place; by people who only wish to drive people they disagree with out of the community. That is the reality. That is all I have left to say on the matter. Enjoy following FreeBSD's act into decline.

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Quoting: DolusIt's damn good to be an American, what can I say? But that aside, the tiki torch incident was broadcast all over the world. It be came a meme on Twitter. It's not *just* an American thing when the BBC uses 'tiki torch' as shorthand.

I'm neither North American or South American, and I'm not British, or of a nationality from any country within the BBC's broadcasting scope. So no, it was obviously not broadcast all over the world if I've never heard about it before, or seen it. Just because you think something is well known, doesn't mean others do.
What happened was clearly bad. I've asked for information about what it is. I'll make up my own mind about how that translates to being called a Nazi (which is something I take quite seriously) when I'm more informed on the matter. But that content has all been removed, and regardless you cannot lump "half the community" in with it. While it may have gone too far apparently, your own words and language did invite some kind of response, making you not entirely blameless. If you can recognise that, you can recognise that you yourself then have some measure of control of such actions within the community, and the ability to make it a better place.

Have you been to r/linux lately? That happens all the time there. How long do you expect people who disagree with this CoC to stick around when they're being called every taboo thing under the sun? Nobody likes being called a Nazi. Nobody likes being called a bigot. Especially when all they are trying to do is show people how this CoC was designed to be abusive.

People are going to leave. Lots of people. Then all you will have left working in and contributing to the kernel are people who share a lot of political leanings with the head suites at MS, Google, and Intel. How convenient.

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Quoting: Dolus

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: DolusHere, is a little something that might blow your mind: I do not care. I do not care about a contributors sexuality, religion or political affiliation. If their contributions make Linux a better kernel, they should be allowed to contribute. That is how it should be. Instead we now have these neon haired puritans

So, not their sexuality, religion or political affiliation, but you do care about the colour of their hair.

That is about political 'leanings' as opposed to an official affiliation with any particular party. And that is perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned. There really is only one group wearing the neon hair right now. And it's not the anime community anymore. And I'm a bisexual deist, btw, so you can take everything else you were trying to imply here and shove it.

I'm about done with this community. Were it not for RMS and GNU taking a stand against this CoC, I'd be done with open source/Free Software in general. This community, on the whole, has been more than happy to go about mocking people like RMS and ESR all day for their lack of social graces FOR DECADES, but, suddenly, sexist bigoted bullies (you want proof, I'll be more than happy to link you to Coraline's Twitter posts) like Coraline Ada are lionized and protected from critical comments.

A year from now Linux is going to end up JUST like FreeBSD. Half of the community is going to pack up and leave because they were accused of being everything from a Nazi (I saved a screen cap, btw) to a *phobe of every variety JUST for believing this CoC is not *just* about playing nice. And this entire thread shows that to be true.

You really are going overboard here. Calm down.
a) Coraline is in no way involved in the Linux kernel. You are bringing her into this discussion when she has nothing to do with it beyond authoring the CoC. And if that's sufficient to destroy a project, you'd best tell Google, Microsoft, Apple, and thousands of Open Source projects that apparently they shouldn't be in existence because they use the same CoC. Let me repeat this: Coraline has _no_ involvement in the decisions made about the CoC as it relates to the Linux kernel. None.
b) RMS disapproves of codes of conduct in general, but otherwise this doesn't affect him. That's all he's said. Hardly "taking a stand".
c) It's really easy to have a discussion disagreeing without stating that half the community will be accused of being a Nazi (and actually, looking back, I don't think you were - but I do see how you might have felt that way). It's not about disagreeing that a few are having problems about with your comments - it's the way you're coming across (hint: not as reasonable). You're own words are aggressive. This will only result in people being aggressive back to you, and you don't then have the right to complain about it. Calm down, at least try be more reasoned, see where it gets you. Believe it or not, I'm trying to help you here.

Oh, so being the author and engineer of the COC is nothing, huh? What if it had been Richard Spencer who wrote it with the idea to promote his views in the open source community? Would you say that was "irrelevant" then? I wouldn't. And RMS has said GNU would NEVER have a CoC like this one; that IS taking a stand. And I literally was implied to be a tiki torch wielding Nazi. I have the screencap.

I don't know the reference, but the image I saw looked seriously like a comedy film to me. Something more out of Rocky Horror. That was not calling you a Nazi. Walk through some of the camps and then continue your banter about that.
You're behaviour is terrible. You're trying to call people out on something clearly intended with humour, while stating that a CoC will be used to call people out for social justice reasons. That's really hypocritical of you.
RMS is staying out of _this_ CoC discussion. So you're statement is flawed in that regard. That's from RMS himself.

Who is Richard Spencer? No idea myself. I guess someone unpleasant. But your statement "to promote his views in the open source community" does not apply to Coraline. She wrote a Code of Conduct. Obviously others are finding it reasonable. She's not forcing it upon anyone - she has no power to do so. Even if she tried to use some dubious wording, the TAB has authority and can say "that's not in the spirit of the CoC as the kernel has adopted it". So unless Coraline holds power over the TAB, which she does not, then her views are indeed irrelevant. And if the TAB holds the same views, then again her views are moot because the TAB would already be doing what you fear (which they are not).

You know damn well what the tiki torch is a dog whistle for. Even if you're not an American. Don't play coy.

Ahh, yes, I know that arrogance. Presuming the whole world is exactly the same as your own experiences. I've said twice that I don't understand the reference. I've not seen that movie (and it does look like it's a still from a movie, but it could be a play for all I know, or random Internet meme that I've not seen).

So grow up a little and stop acting like a spoiled child.

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Quoting: Dolus

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: DolusHere, is a little something that might blow your mind: I do not care. I do not care about a contributors sexuality, religion or political affiliation. If their contributions make Linux a better kernel, they should be allowed to contribute. That is how it should be. Instead we now have these neon haired puritans

So, not their sexuality, religion or political affiliation, but you do care about the colour of their hair.

That is about political 'leanings' as opposed to an official affiliation with any particular party. And that is perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned. There really is only one group wearing the neon hair right now. And it's not the anime community anymore. And I'm a bisexual deist, btw, so you can take everything else you were trying to imply here and shove it.

I'm about done with this community. Were it not for RMS and GNU taking a stand against this CoC, I'd be done with open source/Free Software in general. This community, on the whole, has been more than happy to go about mocking people like RMS and ESR all day for their lack of social graces FOR DECADES, but, suddenly, sexist bigoted bullies (you want proof, I'll be more than happy to link you to Coraline's Twitter posts) like Coraline Ada are lionized and protected from critical comments.

A year from now Linux is going to end up JUST like FreeBSD. Half of the community is going to pack up and leave because they were accused of being everything from a Nazi (I saved a screen cap, btw) to a *phobe of every variety JUST for believing this CoC is not *just* about playing nice. And this entire thread shows that to be true.

You really are going overboard here. Calm down.
a) Coraline is in no way involved in the Linux kernel. You are bringing her into this discussion when she has nothing to do with it beyond authoring the CoC. And if that's sufficient to destroy a project, you'd best tell Google, Microsoft, Apple, and thousands of Open Source projects that apparently they shouldn't be in existence because they use the same CoC. Let me repeat this: Coraline has _no_ involvement in the decisions made about the CoC as it relates to the Linux kernel. None.
b) RMS disapproves of codes of conduct in general, but otherwise this doesn't affect him. That's all he's said. Hardly "taking a stand".
c) It's really easy to have a discussion disagreeing without stating that half the community will be accused of being a Nazi (and actually, looking back, I don't think you were - but I do see how you might have felt that way). It's not about disagreeing that a few are having problems about with your comments - it's the way you're coming across (hint: not as reasonable). You're own words are aggressive. This will only result in people being aggressive back to you, and you don't then have the right to complain about it. Calm down, at least try be more reasoned, see where it gets you. Believe it or not, I'm trying to help you here.

Oh, so being the author and engineer of the COC is nothing, huh? What if it had been Richard Spencer who wrote it with the idea to promote his views in the open source community? Would you say that was "irrelevant" then? I wouldn't. And RMS has said GNU would NEVER have a CoC like this one; that IS taking a stand. And I literally was implied to be a tiki torch wielding Nazi. I have the screencap.

I don't know the reference, but the image I saw looked seriously like a comedy film to me. Something more out of Rocky Horror. That was not calling you a Nazi. Walk through some of the camps and then continue your banter about that.
You're behaviour is terrible. You're trying to call people out on something clearly intended with humour, while stating that a CoC will be used to call people out for social justice reasons. That's really hypocritical of you.
RMS is staying out of _this_ CoC discussion. So you're statement is flawed in that regard. That's from RMS himself.

Who is Richard Spencer? No idea myself. I guess someone unpleasant. But your statement "to promote his views in the open source community" does not apply to Coraline. She wrote a Code of Conduct. Obviously others are finding it reasonable. She's not forcing it upon anyone - she has no power to do so. Even if she tried to use some dubious wording, the TAB has authority and can say "that's not in the spirit of the CoC as the kernel has adopted it". So unless Coraline holds power over the TAB, which she does not, then her views are indeed irrelevant. And if the TAB holds the same views, then again her views are moot because the TAB would already be doing what you fear (which they are not).

You know damn well what the tiki torch is a dog whistle for. Even if you're not an American. Don't play coy.

Ahh, yes, I know that arrogance. Presuming the whole world is exactly the same as your own experiences. I've said twice that I don't understand the reference. I've not seen that movie (and it does look like it's a still from a movie, but it could be a play for all I know, or random Internet meme that I've not seen).

So grow up a little and stop acting like a spoiled child.

It's damn good to be an American, what can I say? But that aside, the tiki torch incident was broadcast all over the world. It be came a meme on Twitter. It's not *just* an American thing when the BBC uses 'tiki torch' as shorthand.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Dolus

Quoting: Purple Library Guytuubi just made the point that what "being a dick" means is far more arbitrary if you don't even have a document to define what "being a dick" is.
So really, that's a problem with not having a CoC more than with having one.

Most people don't have a problem with a CoC. It's THIS CoC that is the problem. I don't have a problem with the Ruby CoC, for example.

That really, really, really isn't how your comments to this point have been sounding. The general tenor has been along the "all limits on how people can talk in lists are nefarious SJW plots cuz they're out to get us" lines.
If that's your opinion you might have made it clear, oh, somewhere around the time a bunch of the people you were arguing with expressed that exact same opinion while you were going off on them.
So what's all the heat about then? Do you have some kind of old personal vendetta going with this Coraline person or something?

If Linux would have adopted the same CoC as Ruby, I woudn't have said a peep. THAT CoC is fine.

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