Quoting: qptain NemoWhen I was paying for it I didn't know I'm paying for a temporary offer that can just disappear for arbitrary reasons.

Well that's every game on Steam and several other online platforms. You buy licenses, not products. There are many ways those licenses can become useless or inoperative for you. I believe Steam's terms of service are sufficiently clear about this.

As for buying a Linux game, Steam sells cross-platform licenses. That's what the name Steam Play originally referred to: you buy it once, play it on any available OS. Those other parts of your license are still functional, so frustration aside I can't really expect Steam to have liability to you in this instance. It would be great customer service to refund you anyway, but I wouldn't try to take them to court over this. It might make more sense to ask a refund from the dev/publisher instead.

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Quoting: GuestSo... Fortnite the RPG.

Sounds interesting, I'll look out for it.

Yeah, that's the vibe I got from the video. Does it use the same engine?

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I went for Unforeseen Incidents, Ultimate Chicken Horse and the White March expansions for Pillars of Eternity. I almost got Tyranny, but looking at Steam discussions it looks like Paradox and Obsidian are completely ignoring game-breaking bugs and with Microsoft taking over I don't need more reasons to stay away.

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Quoting: Creak

Quoting: SalvatosTo be honest I don't see it either.

• Encumbered UI


• Poorly made preferences/config window with way too many options that are difficult to memorize


• No smooth scrolling


• Not responsive/slow


• Using several windows (the same complaint everyone told about GIMP)


• Popups that keep stealing focus at startup


• Uselessly complex badge system (with badge levels into badges)


• Workshop that says "Follow" when you would simply expect "Install"


• and so on and so forth..

Meh. That's just me, but most of those are hardly a bother to me and I'd gladly keep those minor inconveniences over the risk of yet another mobile-first overhaul that dumbs things down and makes actual info harder to get to and/or sacrifices screen real estate in favor of huge shiny graphics. Many of those issues could be fixed within the context of the current design instead of rebuilding everything.

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Quoting: CreakA year and a half that they talked about it, and nothing since then. It seems Valve doesn't see how bad their UI is.

To be honest I don't see it either.

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Score 1 for Steam Play :)

Hope to see more of this happening in the future!

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Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: SalvatosThat being the case, I feel that it's not necessary to try and beat Microsoft as a gaming platform, but rather to emulate the Windows gaming experience the best we can so that people who want to use Linux for other reasons can get their fix to a satisfying level.

It's a constructive perspective. Still... I hate sitting here as a third class citizen.

I understand :) I don't care too much when it comes to gaming, but it's certainly frustrating to hit a wall when I'd like to use professional software, and pay good money for it too, and companies find nothing better to say than "we also have a Mac client."

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Thanks. I'm not familiar with those other games but I'll definitely watch some gameplay later on, once the fixes have been in long enough to get an up-to-date feel for the game.

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Quoting: devnull

Quoting: SalvatosHow is that ironic? It seems pretty intuitive to me that experts in a field can better appreciate the subtleties of it and the meanings beneath the surface.

Because awards tend not to make any distinction between voter backgrounds. What exactly is "Best Video Game" for example. Best how, play? Linux support?

I fail to see how awards are relevant to the subject of my quote, but that would depend on the awards in question. Steam awards are obviously nothing more than a popularity contest.

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Quoting: BeamboomAnd nobody will jump to Linux for gaming just because we can emulate Windows. That's just simply not gonna happen.

I hold the view that nobody will jump to Linux because of gaming even if games run at parity with Windows, and even if they somehow ran better I think the gains would be marginal. I believe the state of gaming can dissuade people from coming to Linux, but not convince them to do so. There are many reasons for wanting to use Linux, but many of those reasons aren't popular, Linux isn't marketed to the mainstream and old habits die hard. Most people don't want to switch to something new unless they're properly fed up with what they currently have, and we can all see that their tolerance is mind-bogglingly high when it comes to some of the aspects that made us switch. So without being driven by some of those other fundamental reasons, someone who only cares about gaming will just stick to what's familiar as long as it's not greatly overshadowed by something else.

That being the case, I feel that it's not necessary to try and beat Microsoft as a gaming platform, but rather to emulate the Windows gaming experience the best we can so that people who want to use Linux for other reasons can get their fix to a satisfying level.

But I don't want to presume too much. I'd love to hear if anyone here uses Linux primarily because of how it does gaming, rather than tolerate its shortcomings with gaming because of their other reasons to prefer Linux.

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