Quoting: Guestso i fully switched from xfce to gnome 40.

So, I guess for some DE's like XFCE, Budgie, and Cinnamon that the advent of a mature Wayland is going to be a really existential moment when they decide to become "legacy" DE's, pack it in, or invest the time, energy, and effort that KDE and Gnome have in working with Wayland.

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A winemaking simulator! Wow, fill. every. sim. niche. now... That said, the idea does sound kind of interesting...

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Quoting: Luke_NukemThis work plus the 470 driver fixing hybrid laptop things is pretty exciting

Absolutely, very big news that allows Wayland to really be a complete solution for nearly everyone now.

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Quoting: BielFPsI hope Wayland become default to the next Ubuntu LTS version too. In my opinion this would help developers to realize that wayland is now the standard and start to port their apps to it, since Ubuntu is still the "main" distro for those entering the Linux world.

Anyway, I am probably going to jump ship soon anyway. I have been a long-time Ubuntu user, but their push towards Snap is a dealbreaker for me.

That is why I left the Ubuntu ecosystem myself a while back. Snaps sound like they'll eventually be a great solution (once themes and performance are worked out) for network admins and Linux-hesitant developers looking for one distribution method to rule them all, but I see very little advantage for me as a desktop user and the downsides are obvious.

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Quoting: iiariI can't speak for GNOME, as I don't use it, but I have heard their Wayland support is a lot further ahead than KDE Plasma's.

Quite right. I haven't used the most recent Wayland KDE build (which is supposedly a solid step forward), but as recently as just a few months back the Gnome build was far ahead, virtually "normal" feeling, while over on KDE you'd trip over lots of broken or unoptimized functionality all over the place and it was quite annoying. Again, though, supposedly the latest edition (I haven't tried) is better.

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Quoting: BielFPsI hope Wayland become default to the next Ubuntu LTS version too. In my opinion this would help developers to realize that wayland is now the standard and start to port their apps to it, since Ubuntu is still the "main" distro for those entering the Linux world.

Agreed. I've been using Manjaro Gnome Wayland for the better part of a year now on my work laptop and it's terrific. I have no idea how gaming is on Wayland, though, as I game on my Manjaro KDE xorg desktop.

How is Wayland for gaming right now?

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Wonder why they're all leaving now... Perhaps Canonical isn't moving as fast as some would like to sell out and have a big payday for some who have been there a long time and they're tired of waiting? Perhaps Canonical is downgrading desktop as a priority? Who knows...

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I said years ago scenarios similar to this are the future of "Linux" gaming - making sure that tomorrow's browser and streaming based games work on Linux. Platform agnostic really works for us, and for everyone, and floats all the boats. I have huge respect for Eve online. Sadly, I don't have the amount of time required to play the game with any proficiency, but I'm thrilled it's a "Linux" option now...

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Quoting: scaineI played a LOT of this game back in its (original) day. It led me on to ET: Quake Wars too, which was another massive time-sync. Happy memories.

Quake Wars is one of my favorite games of all time! I have a copy I install on every Linux partition I inhabit.

Quake Wars...I heard about it when it just came out, but never got into it for some reason...think I had a lot going during that time. Do people still play it? I mean, are there active servers and stuff? Is it available for free download from somewhere? I've been playing a lot of Quake Champions lately, would love to dive into this one for a few rounds if it's still active. Thanks for reminding me :)

Wondering the same thing. I bought it on Ebay a few years ago with the intent of trying it out, since I'd heard such great things. Is there still an active community of people playing to make the time invested in getting it running worthwhile? I know that was the case a few years back...

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My $0.02 on "HOW THINGS ARE NOW:"

• Stadia (and streaming in general) can work quite well, and are brilliant for Chromebooks, which is their best use case currently. In the pandemic, my young kids are all about Chromebooks, and Stadia and steaming are really the only way to game on them, and that experience is actually and suprisingly a completely satisfying one (with the limitation of what's there).

• Sadly, I'm not sure Google is the company to be the standard bearer here for all the reasons we are seeing. They seem to have concluded there won't be a "Netflix" of gaming, but that they're better off selling the tech to every gaming company/publisher who wants to be their own game streamer. I think that trend, though, will go just as well as each one having their own store...

• I never suspected in a million years we'd get a single desktop title from Stadia, but that it would help mature some of the back-end tech and Vulkan (which it kind of is doing, actually, which is good for us).

• Desktop Linux at this point is for hobbyists, enthusiasts, and a smattering for enterprise. Absent some as yet undeveloped killer feature, it's not going to break through to the masses.

• Gaming on Linux, though, helps keep all those passionate desktop Linux people engaged in the platform and using it in a mainstreamed fashion, which is super-important for the Linux ecosystem.

• The great gaming masses only care about the games and could care less about the platform. They go where the cool games are and just want it to be as few clicks as possible. This is why Linux won't succeed in this crowd and which is why Valve, as the fewest clicks to play all of your stuff, continues to succeed.

• I'm thrilled Proton exists and happy Valve has sunk the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of dollars into it, but I still have absolutely zero idea why they're doing it, and it seems to make less sense as the years tick away and they don't obviously do anything, well, obvious with it...

So, in summary, gaming on Linux is really just for people like us here, on GamingOnLinux. Linux, and its gaming, has always done best and will continue to do so for us hobbyists, tinkerers, enthusiastics, control freaks, modders, and passionate users who have always been Linux's core and always will continue to be. And that's fine in my view. Those who must have AAA titles on day 1 really should be on Windows, and that's OK, because that's where basically the entire market is.

I continue to believe that AAA on Linux in the distant future will mean having access on our platform to the XBox, Sony, Valve, Stadia, and other streaming services down the line. That's where our fight will be....

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Quoting: BielFPs"start steam with windows" default configuration

Basically, this...

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