Quoting: TheRiddickI'm trying to point out here that VulkanAPI on Windows and Linux performs better then DX11 and OpenGL on either platform. Making it a great choice for system performance parity regardless of API comparisons. A PURE OpenGL game works great, but very few are, most have tacked on OpenGL (eg. warthunder) at best, majority of games are still directx based.

Vulkan would be a better wrapping solution for DirectX then OpenGL, which is what most companies are doing now with their Linux ports, why else would we get terrible performance under Linux in comparison to their directx windows counterparts? (which don't have OGL options)

Vulkan is not magic and if a game developed for DirectX , lots of engineering goes on Dx side ; a Vulkan wrapper cannot provide Windows performance.

Only game you can see the real Vulkan is Doom and upcoming Wolfenstein 2 ( both id Software) , others are not native afaik.

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Quoting: LeopardActually , until they work out of the box people will stay on Windows or will emulate Windows on Linux via vfio at best.

Implying anyone who can't/won't configure Wine would setup passthroughs for Windows?

Perhaps people who got bored of Wine or the ones that really wish to play the latest and greatest d3dX titles on release, but I highly doubt this is average Joe's main choice and only alternative when it comes to transitioning to a linux desktop.

Both Wine and VM are beyond the level of average Joe. Average Joe should stick with dual booting.

But for a person capable of setting up Wine through different hacks in order to run something , setting up a VM shouldn't be that hard.

Also it is a one time pain , once you set it correctly you are ready to go.

Wine is pain every time.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardBecause Wine can run something with X version and it can be broken on with upcoming Y version.

Various hacks used successfully on X version might not work on Y version.

That's why.

I wouldn't touch Windows with a ten foot pole. And it's also the reason many use Wine if they can. If anyone can set up VMs, they surely can set up Wine. So out of the box argument is pointless if you compare that.

When you set up VM succesfully one time , no further fixes needed. It is basically Windows , much more effective than dual booting or using Wine.

I understand your Windows hate but sometimes Windows is a must.

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Quoting: ShmerlWhy should you run Windows in VM if Wine can run something? Amount of effort in setting up VMs is barely smaller than setting up Wine, let alone if you need to set up PCI pass through and what not. Plus, it's a major plus not to deal with Windows at all.

Because Wine can run something with X version and it can be broken on with upcoming Y version.

Various hacks used successfully on X version might not work on Y version.

That's why.

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Wine development is rapid, so hopefully it won't be long before more titles keeping people on Windows will work nicely under Wine on Linux.

Actually , until they work out of the box people will stay on Windows or will emulate Windows on Linux via vfio at best.

Personally i've tried Wine many (staging , devel and stable ) times but it is not attractive for people who are simply seeking their favorite Windows apps on Linux. There are so many workarounds to apply for app to app , you must create seperate prefixes. That is not attractive actually.

Even PlayOnLinux or Lutris like solutions are not working correctly most of the time.

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Quoting: mcphailLooks great, and nice to see the assets have been created in blender.

I've emailed the developers to see whether they are going to release this on GOG. I'll report back if I hear anything.

They developed that game on Linux , maybe Liam can add that to the article.

And yes , they are planning to release that on GOG too.

Hi, I'm the main gameplay developer and I work on...

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/6ujtmp/helium_rain_space_sim_for_pc_enters_early_access/dltjg5a [External Link]

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Quoting: micke1m

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: dorronI'd go with The Witcher 3 and GTA V (maybe even Red Dead Redemption, but guess that's impossible).

Save Red Dead Redemption for RPCS3 ^_^

Doom 2016 would be good if we are talking about AAA's but let's be realistic , Ryan Gordon talks about indie games for sure.

AAA port would be so hard for one man.

Yo know he's ported a heap of AAA already, right?
Doom 2016 (why the fuck didn't they call it Doom 4) with vulkan and idtech is probably the easier end of the scale.

If only permission from id would be enough , then yeah. He could. But with Bethesda involved it has no chance.

Vulkan is there , you are right. But did you know that Doom 2016 uses a compability profile for Vulkan and most important ; Vulkan open source driver radv is not there yet.

So with that conclusion , it would still be a pain in the ass.

You can't play that game with Mesa Vulkan , you will Amd Gpu Pro.

On Nvidia side , you are cool. No one is using Nouveau for gaming anyway.

What do you mean? Doom 2016 runs well using wine with radv mesa 17.1, I have played it myself.
Running it with OpenGL on the other hand, does not work.

Last time i checked it didn't work for me on Mesa

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Quoting: johndoeI would like to see "Banished" (Shining Rock Software) finished for Linux.
When I'm not totally wrong it's the work from a single developer, who never did a OpenGL port before.
He could need some help from Icculus for sure.

Especially small teams which don't have the manpower/resources to make a linux port come to my mind.
Maybe Liam could help here out with a kind of list.
He contacted so much developers to ask for a port but they sometimes refused because of the lack of manpower or OpenGL knowledge.

Legends of Grimrock 2 for example is one of that.

Yeah , Banished would be a reasonable choice.

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Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: dorronI'd go with The Witcher 3 and GTA V (maybe even Red Dead Redemption, but guess that's impossible).

Save Red Dead Redemption for RPCS3 ^_^

Doom 2016 would be good if we are talking about AAA's but let's be realistic , Ryan Gordon talks about indie games for sure.

AAA port would be so hard for one man.

Yo know he's ported a heap of AAA already, right?
Doom 2016 (why the fuck didn't they call it Doom 4) with vulkan and idtech is probably the easier end of the scale.

If only permission from id would be enough , then yeah. He could. But with Bethesda involved it has no chance.

Vulkan is there , you are right. But did you know that Doom 2016 uses a compability profile for Vulkan and most important ; Vulkan open source driver radv is not there yet.

So with that conclusion , it would still be a pain in the ass.

You can't play that game with Mesa Vulkan , you will Amd Gpu Pro.

On Nvidia side , you are cool. No one is using Nouveau for gaming anyway.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardNot that third party thing solutions.

Fine, but since he isn't doing it to get paid, what's the difference? As long as it works well.

Because ( at least i think ) he wants to help Linux gaming a little bit more.

That can be provided with ports have Linux sign near them on stores , not with Wine development.

Wine is John Carmack's solution offer for Linux gaming. Playing games with various hacks.

But Linux needs standart " click and install " people even more , since you can't be a competitor without them ; because they're the market.

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