Quoting: johndoe

Quoting: LeopardNext time , i will to the Feral ' Hey , yo Feral! Shmerl wants you games on GOG , because he is Polish and he has somekind of fanatizm,patriotizm about GOG so he somehow wants you to break main developers or publishers attitude. Don't mind if he is talking about other Drm-free stores ; he only cares about GOG'

Dude , enough of that your GOG loving movements. No matter what we approach you ; you're still trying to blame Feral and somehow Valve itself. Drop it off.

If you are not happy about it ; tell your beloved GOG to care about Linux by porting their titles and Galaxy , not treating us as second class citizens. Maybe after that ; our rising Linux porter Feral can consider that.

Hey Leopard,
Shmerl has an opinion and that is justified.
Please don't blame others for their thoughts/interests - this is really childish - and does not help.

Man , his attitude is childish too. He looks for a conspiracy ; which there is not.

He thinks that Feral can break the main publishers attitude about GOG ; it is not simple as that.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardNext time , i will to the Feral<...>If you are not happy about it<...>

Few things. I find exclusivity approach bad. Put yourself in that situation, and say you like when you are excluded. I.e. for instance when you as Linux user are ignored by Windows only release. Show me one person who thinks that exclusivity is something positive. Second, I already told Feral about it, so I'm sure they know.

You can tell that exclusivity to GOG or any other markets.

And you cannot see is that , Feral is not gonna be able deliberatrely release any other versions. Maybe some day if they choose to port an Aaa title which is available on Gog Windows and if they don't release it on Gog too ; we can be pissed to Feral together.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: liamdaweAs others have said, they are likely still bound by the original Publisher, so if the game isn't on GOG, Feral will likely not be able to do it themselves. They would need the Windows version on there too, I doubt they can just do whatever they please.

That's why I said above, that I'm not asking about such cases, that would be pointless to ask. I'm asking about why Feral pick only such cases to port. That's already something they choose.

Next time , i will to the Feral ' Hey , yo Feral! Shmerl wants you games on GOG , because he is Polish and he has somekind of fanatizm,patriotizm about GOG so he somehow wants you to break main developers or publishers attitude. Don't mind if he is talking about other Drm-free stores ; he only cares about GOG'

Dude , enough of that your GOG loving movements. No matter what we approach you ; you're still trying to blame Feral and somehow Valve itself. Drop it off.

If you are not happy about it ; tell your beloved GOG to care about Linux by porting their titles and Galaxy , not treating us as second class citizens. Maybe after that ; our rising Linux porter Feral can consider that.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardFeral is a company which has some deals with companies and keep doing ports of their titles. Maybe Feral is choosing only-drm publishers on purpose ( which i don't think so,since games like Hitman don't have drm on Linux despite Windows) or that is just coincidence. ( probably that is the reason, since they're on AAA level)

There are DRM-free big budget games there, which are not ported to Linux yet. Initially I also thought it's just a coincidence, but when it happens consistently (there are zero titles ported by Feral that came out in DRM-free stores), it looks like coincidence less and less, and more like systematic or intentional issue.

I asked Feral about it explicitly [External Link], and it sounds like it's not a random thing:

Q: Do you plan to ever release any (future) ports on GOG? I don't think there are any games from you there yet.

A: Not at the moment, nope.

This tells me it's about attitude, not about chance.

Quoting: Leopardso many AAA games has drm ; that is the market is going.

I don't think so. DRM was demonstrated to be futile again and again, so hopefully market isn't going in the direction of more of this insanity.

I think you are simply miss understanding Drm.

I'm also against Denuvo like shitty Drm's or other DRM's that forces you to being online all the time.

Steam is a Drm'ed place and also GOG is. Because you will need account and games stored in it all the time ; both of them.

Different thing is ; you can't just copy the game folder (on some Steam games you can) and run it on another piece of machine without your account. Actually this is also forbidden on GOG.

https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212806505-Can-I-enjoy-my-purchases-both-on-my-laptop-and-desktop-computer-at-home [External Link]-

Yes. We do not limit the number of installations or reinstallations, as long as you install your purchased games on computers in your household. So yeah, if you've got a render-farm in the basement, you might actually break the world record for the number of legal Witcher installations in one household. However, if you think about installing your game on a friend's machine or sharing it with others then please don't do it, okay?The same principle applies to movies - you're free to watch them anywhere you want, with anyone you want, as long as you don't share them with people who haven't purchased them.

Yet , you can share your library up to 10 people on Steam.

So you can see GOG Drm free games on internet which is served by some people and this causes abuses. Basically , people who are aware of that DRM free versions are sharing them with each other. That is sad but it is a fact.

So Steam is not such a hard ruler over the DRM , in fact it allows you to share them with others in a way.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardThat is their business model , selling Steam keys via their store.

Such business model doesn't stop them from selling keys through any store (GOG and Humble also offer keys functionality for instance). I start suspecting it's rather their attitude towards DRM that's causing them to do it, or it's not about DRM but they have some Steam exclusivity deal going on. From what I've heard though, Valve claim they don't make such deals, but I'm not convinced.

To clarify, this is not about why Feral don't release titles they already ported outside of Steam. Those titles are owned by publishers who don't release DRM-free, so it's not up to Feral. It's about why Feral pick only such titles to begin with (this is up to them already).

Actually i'm thinking that Feral is tied with main publishers decision.

If that game is not originally on any Drm Free store , than the Linux version won't make it too.

Feral is a company which has some deals with companies and keep doing ports of their titles. Maybe Feral is choosing only-drm publishers on purpose ( which i don't think so,since games like Hitman don't have drm on Linux despite Windows) or that is just coincidence. ( probably that is the reason, since they're on AAA level)

Since they are porting AAA games , Windows versions of these games are not available on GOG or Humble Drm Free collection. So it is so natural these games are not on drm free stores. In fact ; so many AAA games has drm ; that is the market is going.

GOG saw an empty place on Drm free area and jumped on it ; because they know you can't get nothing by copying Steam. So they do this because they want to be different , that's all. So this not a messiah or savior thing , just another business model.

Don't mind it, since Steam Linux games are mostly not Drm strict games. Just play it ; don't waste time.

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Quoting: ShmerlSo, was it Made to Wade or not? I don't see it on their radar anymore. For me it's something I'll again skip, since it's Steam only. I hope it's not Feral's attitude towards using DRM that's causing them to release only through Steam, but so far they consistently do only that (I suppose by picking publishers who require it).

Made to Wade was DoW 3 , Spicey entry was Shogun.

That is their business model , selling Steam keys via their store.

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: LeopardThan tell me Liam , what is "enough" term to them?

Whatever they need it to be. It will be different for every developer.

Quoting: LeopardWe are tiny, yes. But not for to beg for indie developer for Linux version.

Seriously, shut up calling it begging.

Quoting: LeopardI'm all okay for begging AAA games or similar huge games but if we start to hear enough request word from every developer , that won't be a good thing.

So to you, only AAA developers should be asked to make a port? Because who cares about great indie games right?

Quoting: LeopardLiam; if we let this thing going on. Every little to big developers will expect the same : Lick our ass for port of this game,maybe we can port it.

Seriously you have a terrible attitude.

Quoting: LeopardC'mon , nobody requested or at least with enough request nonsense; for DoW 3 and Shogun 2 (which they are huge) yet they're coming.

Because that is Feral's business model.

Quoting: LeopardYou can act like they're all equal but everything has a price and quality. So i won't beg for a non Aaa or non unique game.

Then don't, like I said. There's no need for such an elitist attitude.

You said

So to you, only AAA developers should be asked to make a port? Because who cares about great indie games right?

Check again my comment. I said AAA games or unique games. This game is not one of them.

If we don't be elitist , i'm afraid we can't get anymore users. So what am i doing that?

If we can grow (at least 1 percent) then i don't care but for growing we need much more top notch games. That is attracting people.

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: LeopardI'm all okay for begging AAA games or similar huge games but if we start to hear enough request word from every developer , that won't be a good thing.

If they're making AAA games they don't need to ensure they're not losing on it so to me this just doesn't make sense at all.

How can you guarentee an AAA game will sell good?

Look at F1 2015. It was an AAA and released for Linux but it didn't sell well both on Windows and Linux.

So how can you guarentee that DoW3 will sell good on Mac and Linux?
That game literally had no single player and focused on multiplayer.But multi is limited to Linux vs Mac. So what will happen?

I also want to note these games have their own engines , not Unity or UE4.

This is an investment and a risk. Even big companies has chance to screw up.

So your comment is very wrong.

Ha if you are insting on that: If One have a chance to choose for begging , let it be an AAA title.

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: LeopardSo , that became a new trend already.

'Enough request'

Well , i'm not gonna beg for that shit. They're seeing us as beggars.

Then don't post, but drop the attitude. It is not begging, stop calling it that. It's perfectly natural for developers to want to see something when it comes to Linux. We are tiny compared to Windows, people need to stop kidding themselves.

Than tell me Liam , what is "enough" term to them?

That game is one of the little developer games and if they want to sell good they should have Linux and Mac in mind.

We are tiny, yes. But not for to beg for indie developer for Linux version.

I'm all okay for begging AAA games or similar huge games but if we start to hear enough request word from every developer , that won't be a good thing.

That is an investment and that is a risk. They want to ensure sales with acting like that.

I'm telling that developers ; when you start to develop a generic,not unique game like this. Ask for Windows users: Who wants that?

They will say: Fuck you , take your shitty game and put it your available places.

Liam; if we let this thing going on. Every little to big developers will expect the same : Lick our ass for port of this game,maybe we can port it.

C'mon , nobody requested or at least with enough request nonsense; for DoW 3 and Shogun 2 (which they are huge) yet they're coming.

You can act like they're all equal but everything has a price and quality. So i won't beg for a non Aaa or non unique game.

I beg your pardon.

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So , that became a new trend already.

'Enough request'

Well , i'm not gonna beg for that shit. They're seeing us as beggars.

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