Liam Dawe,magical poker :D

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Quoting: omboyI'm just going to leave this here

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Poor Windows lady got cold i guess...

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Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: bubexelYour ideas are just a problem to people to give a try linux. I think companies should pay a fixed price to porting companies and not make them gain cash for the sales.

Then that is porting companies problems.They must do better contracts,why punishing users because of that?

I don't want to say this but these companies are not so Linux dedicated,which is why you stop worshipping them.

Let's take a look at the Aspyr.Look at their direction.They just tied up with some little studios and started promoting Windows and XboxOne versions of this games first.If others get a chance like this,they will storm away from Linux at a glance.The reason of they're porting games to Linux,there is not so much competition here.

They're all doing it for money and they can live on with current payments.

If you are looking for a real hero;take a look for Loki.

Even Valve is not doing that for favor of Linux;they simply scared from MS Store and most possible place was Linux.

If MS says that 'we're closing MS Store' Valve will also stop SteamOS development.

The porting companies have to survive somehow, they are not charities! They cannot get better contracts because the Linux gaming market simply isn't that big so it does not matter one bit how things should be in a perfect world because we are not in that perfect world (at least not yet).

The simple truth is that if we want to have games ported then we must give the porting companies some incentive to do so or they are forced to search for other markets (like OSX) or simply close shop. There simply is no way around this at the moment.

That said I'm personally not troubled by this since I have never bought any games on or for Windows ever.

We're granting them money via buying from their store.But it shouldn't be asked for a person who migrates from Windows and bought it from there:If you want to play this game;you will need to pay a fee.This will be a huge barrier for people who wants to migrate.

Also i'm on Linux 2 years and i'm buying games on Linux.So i'm supporting them,what is that all about?

You're just wanting them to squeeze more.

Also this 'i port the game but i don't care if you bought it on Windows' thing will only push existing Linux gamers to using Steam via Wine.People have so many games on their library. Personally,i have 200 titles and only 71 of them is Linux compatible. So what is my fault about that huh?

If they want to gain more;then they must grant that day 1 releases. Fair deal isn't it?

Oh,wait.They can't do that.For example Feral cannot deal with WB and release Shadow of War for Linux at day one.Game will be released on this summer.

Look,we're talking about mostly late releases.Look at that Arma thing.It is fucking 15 years old. I promise that i will wait new games comes onto Linux 6 months after Windows,but games are mostly coming after years;when other people dispose them so early.But no;mostly that is not the case.

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Quoting: bubexelYour ideas are just a problem to people to give a try linux. I think companies should pay a fixed price to porting companies and not make them gain cash for the sales.

Then that is porting companies problems.They must do better contracts,why punishing users because of that?

I don't want to say this but these companies are not so Linux dedicated,which is why you stop worshipping them.

Let's take a look at the Aspyr.Look at their direction.They just tied up with some little studios and started promoting Windows and XboxOne versions of this games first.If others get a chance like this,they will storm away from Linux at a glance.The reason of they're porting games to Linux,there is not so much competition here.

They're all doing it for money and they can live on with current payments.

If you are looking for a real hero;take a look for Loki.

Even Valve is not doing that for favor of Linux;they simply scared from MS Store and most possible place was Linux.

If MS says that 'we're closing MS Store' Valve will also stop SteamOS development.

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Quoting: kernel.havokThe mentality see in the comments of those complaining about having to pay for linux versions are the very reason developers don't bother with the burden of making sure it's linux supported in the first place.

It would be different if the game had, by the same team, been linux compatible from launch and then crossplay removed so you had to buy a linux key -- but that is clearly not the case.

Pff,such a weak reason.

We didn't say 'we don't want to pay for the game anyway'

We already bought it,can you understand?We don't want to pay again.If case turns into this most of the users turn again to Windows;which in this case that greedy developers you defend starts to eat rocks.

I'm on Linux for two years but i already bought bunch of games on Linux.You all just wanting to let them squeeze our wallets.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandleThere used to be some horrible myths about Linux and gaming going around... you know them well, things like "too many distributions to support" and "nobody plays games on Linux" - that sort of thing.

One of these myths was always "Linux users just want everything for free". Our support of Humble Indie Bundle debunked this one fast, but now I'm starting to think there's something to this. Maybe these people were right.

Porting games to Linux costs money. You should jump at opportunities to support your porters financially so they can keep on doing it. If there's nobody doing Linux ports, WE GET NO LINUX PORTS.

Then buy it from their store and activate it on Steam?Is it that hard to understand?
This kinda moves will change minds of people who wants to switch to Linux from Windows.No body will buy their owned games twice.

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Quoting: LeopardHahhaha,i can kill your argument over Feral with one sentence.

You killed nothing.

When a company licenses a port from a publisher, like Feral and Aspyr do, they don't get any money from the Windows sales. So, you wonder why these companies still honour the Steamplay system?.. easy:

When Feral chooses an older game to port, like "Dawn of War II" or "Total War: Shogun 2", these tend to be games with DLCs available. So there's a fairly good chance that someone with a game already on Windows might show additional support by picking up a DLC or two, or maybe to pick up a DLC so they have something new to enjoy with the game they already own.

Anyway, this is not an all out or all in situation. In cases where a game is ported from day 1, I see no reason to charge separately. In other cases it's quite necessary to charge again if the porter hopes to actually recoup the money/effort they spent porting it. It's not about "greed".

Basically, in a nutshell: Read Liam's article again, slowly.

Are you aware of they're done porting of games after one year(most optimistic time) after Windows version released?

Do you know that when you buy their game via Steam on LINUX;they paid.If you get it from Steam on Windows they will get nothing.I think you don't know that.And in this cases already Windows users are disposing that fairly new ported game months ago.

You said:When a company licenses a port from a publisher, like Feral and Aspyr do, they don't get any money from the Windows sales. So, you wonder why these companies still honour the Steamplay system?.. easy:

Yes,that is why they have a seperate store selling Steam keys?!

Basically, in a nutshell:Keep licking companies.

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Quoting: wolfyrionNope , Nope , Nope!!!

Please stop this NOW and dont make it a trend!

I will not support any company or any porter who wants to have a separate version of a Game just for its greedy purposes.
This is a total Fiasco!

A game should support from the beginning the 3 OS...
Win , Mac and Linux! End of Story!

If you are a porter and you want to port an existing game then get money from the people who didnt buy the specific game from the start.
I have supported that company and I bought it when it was in windows, its an old version of the game that I already have and I have just switched OS to Linux and if its ported to Linux , yes I should have the right to get it for FREE!

Example 1 :
I am a windows user and have already bought many games on Windows and I want to migrate to Linux!

OHHHH MY GOD!!!!
ALL MY GAMES ARE NOT SUPPORTED ON LINUX AND I HAVE TO BUY 2K GAMES AGAIN JUST FOR LINUX WTF??!?!?!!!!
#@$%@#% THIS!
I AM STAYING WITH WINDOWS!!!!

Please STOP THIS trend and dont support this kind of porters!!!
We want everyone to play their games on their favorite OS!!! Doesnt matter if its Windows or Mac or Linux!
With this kind of practices you are forcing all the people to buy again all the games from the start because at that time there was not a Linux native port!

NOPE NOPE NOPE!!!

At the end we will have 3 separate version of the games

Rocket League for MAC
Rocket League for Windows
Rocket League for Linux

Do you really want this scenario to happen??? I DONT!!!

We want all the games to have 3 versions and buy it only once! that is called a PC - MY PC can have any different OS
Linux , Mac , Windows - I do whatever I want with my PC

PC's are not consoles!

I really disagree with this kind of practises and I am very disappointed because Gamingonlinux supported this kind of ports.

Many companies are giving away many re-mastered versions of their existing games for FREE which now are supporting Linux and Mac.

I demand from this company to merge the existing game into one and refund all the money to the people who have bought it if they already own the existing game!

If you decide to buy a MacBook Pro running macOS Sierra and you buy a game from the Mac App Store -- you are not entitled to get a free Steam or GOG copy of the same title. Why? Because we are talking about different platforms, different programmers and support staff: Apple takes a 30 % cut of your software, there's a different validation and approval process for software, Valve and Microsoft also take around 30 % of each purchase -- just like a "physical" retail company like Best Buy.

There wouldn't be any AAA games on Linux if it wasn't for porters like Aspyr or Feral. Big publishers are not interested in Linux at all, Steam machines failed.

What do you expect?

Feral needs to pay for project leads, programmers, marketing and PR people. They need to secure publishing rights, take care of legal stuff, get in contact with Apple and Valve to get software approved, test and support games, even when they're older and not profitable anymore.

You don't get that for free. Do you work for free? Do you demand free rent from your landlord just because you used to pay for your former flat in a different place?

Hahhaha,i can kill your argument over Feral with one sentence.

They're already selling their ported games via Feral Store;which gives them much more money and people on here are know that situation and do shopping from there.

So;are you satisfied?There is no need for seperation in Steam.Which VP is also selling keys in their store.

It's obvious you get used to ripping off by long times you spent on Apple's ecosystem;so it is normal that you can justify greed.

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Quoting: KimyrielleI'd rather want publishers to pay porting houses a flat sum for the porting work instead of sub-licensing the game to them and make them rely on their own sales. This would end this discussion right here and there, eliminate the confusing "which platform is the purchase actually attributed to?" stuff, and is more befitting the actual work they do anyway (which is essentially outsourcing).

I can see this particular case as being exceptional, but generally I do not wish to pay separately for each platform I want to play a game on, and would largely refuse to. I hope Valve won't stop pressuring publishers not to adopt "per platform" sales. Ideally, a game runs on every platform on release day and people can install it on whatever OS they prefer.

Really what's next? Charging again to make the game run on a different GPU?

No,this VP's greed.

http://www.deliver2.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=331 [External Link]

They're even selling this game via their site,going into a discrimination like that in Steam is unacceptable.

Feral is also porting games and selling keys via their store but they're not dividing games in Steam.

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Quoting: wolfyrionNope , Nope , Nope!!!

Please stop this NOW and dont make it a trend!

I will not support any company or any porter who wants to have a separate version of a Game just for its greedy purposes.
This is a total Fiasco!

A game should support from the beginning the 3 OS...
Win , Mac and Linux! End of Story!

If you are a porter and you want to port an existing game then get money from the people who didnt buy the specific game from the start.
I have supported that company and I bought it when it was in windows, its an old version of the game that I already have and I have just switched OS to Linux and if its ported to Linux , yes I should have the right to get it for FREE!

Example 1 :
I am a windows user and have already bought many games on Windows and I want to migrate to Linux!

OHHHH MY GOD!!!!
ALL MY GAMES ARE NOT SUPPORTED ON LINUX AND I HAVE TO BUY 2K GAMES AGAIN JUST FOR LINUX WTF??!?!?!!!!
#@$%@#% THIS!
I AM STAYING WITH WINDOWS!!!!

Please STOP THIS trend and dont support this kind of porters!!!
We want everyone to play their games on their favorite OS!!! Doesnt matter if its Windows or Mac or Linux!
With this kind of practices you are forcing all the people to buy again all the games from the start because at that time there was not a Linux native port!

NOPE NOPE NOPE!!!

At the end we will have 3 separate version of the games

Rocket League for MAC
Rocket League for Windows
Rocket League for Linux

Do you really want this scenario to happen??? I DONT!!!

We want all the games to have 3 versions and buy it only once! that is called a PC - MY PC can have any different OS
Linux , Mac , Windows - I do whatever I want with my PC

PC's are not consoles!

I really disagree with this kind of practises and I am very disappointed because Gamingonlinux supported this kind of ports.

Many companies are giving away many re-mastered versions of their existing games for FREE which now are supporting Linux and Mac.

I demand from this company to merge the existing game into one and refund all the money to the people who have bought if they already own the existing game!

Yes,i agree.I'm just shocked about attitude of people at this topic. People are confusing about being greatful to a company vs being approval about their greedy moves.

Steam is a game platform,not os based platform.

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