Quoting: Guest

Quoting: YoRHa-2B

Quoting: Guestaccording to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rFZh85TTmI [External Link]

... which was made before anyone even had a chance to look at any of the issues. Someone made an updated [External Link] benchmark comparison with fixed DXVK + new driver, and the visual issues should hopefully be gone with the next Nvidia beta driver update as well (I recorded a video [External Link] on my AMD system as well, no issues there).

I understand if you prefer a native port (we all do), but let's at least be up-to-date with the comparisons.

Self-quoting, sorry i've to:

according to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rFZh85TTmI [External Link]
performance are about 25%...35% lower than on windows,

...at 2:47 of the benchmark YOU linked, i'm reading the following:
min: 62.75% (37.25% drop)
max: 83.46% (16.54% drop)
avg: 78.87% (21.13% drop)
So, instead of 25% to 35% lower, is 16.5% to 37% lower?
I don't know what is your way of reading... well, numbers.
I read:
The higher the native framerate, the lower the performance drop, not very useful.
...and when the windows framerate is at his lower value, the linux framerate gap is at his maximum value, URRAH!

I hope you understand by yourself how not ideal this is, but If you're ok with those numbers and still think the wrapped version "works well (tm)", well, good for you!

I really, really hope Feral does not.

Looking at both links @YoRHa-2B posted I see a AAA game that seems perfectly playable on Linux at day1 after release (and would even count as a Linux purchase if I would bought it now via Steam on Linux). This looks very close to ideal to me.

Certainly I would prefer a version from Feral. They would have a completely different approach and possibilities with the source at hand and could provide a super smooth and fast experience. Though I very much doubt that we will see a Linux port from them. Even if they would release their version within half a year from now I doubt that there are much people left that haven't bought the game for Steam Play already. They simply wouldn't earn any money with it.

As I stated in the LiS:BtS thread, I very much hope that I'm wrong, but I think we wont see much from Feral for Linux in the future. Their focus will shift to Mac an iOS. May be, may be, their Linux skills will be asked again when Linux has reached such a market share that developers and publishers take Linux into account from the beginning on. It is a long road to that, lets see how it turns out. I guess Steam Play is our best bet for that to happen.

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Quoting: GuestWhat happens if i buy a game today on windows, play with proton and next month a linux native port is made? who will take the money?

My understanding was that Feral gets their share as soon as they have officially announced a port, not before. I also guess that this applies only when buying on Linux and not playing on Windows in the first two weeks.

Would love to know too how this would work with Steam Play now.

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Quoting: ageresI thought games are more compatible with Proton rather than Wine+DXVK. But it turns out the opposite is true. I just tried Batman: AK with Wine Staging 3.15 and DXVK 0.72, and it works! The performance isn't too good though, about 30-50 fps with drops. I had 60-80 on Windows with max graphics settings, twice better. Well, at least I don't have to deal with Windows anymore to play my favourite games, GTA V and B:AK. Thank you YoRHa-2B for this.

Performance is actually pretty good on my machine, even with using the latest official short term driver (396.54), though I don't know what I would get on Windows. Using 396.54.05 (https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver [External Link]) should further improve performance. Please also make sure that you CPU governor is set to "Performance".

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Quoting: YoRHa-2BYes, it renders correctly on RADV.

Thanks for the confirmation, even more impressive. Fortunately I have to wait a bit until the NVidia z-thingie fix lands in Fedora, assuming that this fixes the black spots. ;) But once that has happened, and with the knowlegde that I buy for Linux, I don't think I can withstand the temptation to buy this game when no word or hint from Feral has been heard about a port from their side. I realize of course that Feral isn't probably the one holding a port back so no blame there.

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Quoting: YoRHa-2B

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoLet's see the performance of the game running with Proton...

~86% of Windows D3D11 on my system, with some stutter here and there (but I've seen worse). Certainly playable.

Very impressive.
Not considering the Nvidia z-fighting issue, is the game visually identical between Linux and Windows? I mean, if you max out/enable all settings, does it look the same on Linux as on Windows without any distortions or glitches?

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Quoting: ageresWait, Batman: Arkham Knight works on Linux with DXVK? It didn't when I tried and is rated "Borked" at SPCR [External Link].

It won't start on Proton since the launcher requires .Net 452. Once it starts by either modifying your Proton prefix* or by using normal wine it should work now with DXVK 0.72 just fine out-of-the-box on NVidia and AMD/RADV.

See https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/558 [External Link]

* Haven't tries this yet but should somehow be possible ..

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Having played half an hour, the dialog system gave me a "The secret of Monkey Island" deja vu :)

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mmh, aspect ratio seems to be fixed to 16:9, or at least I haven't found a way to change it to anything different. Not really cool to have black bars when having a resolution of 3440x1440 with 21:9...

Edit: Just checked the first LiS, that one plays nicely in 21:9.
Edit2: This seems also an issue with the windows version, thus not related to Feral's work. One could argue that this is on purpose to keep certain images fixed since this is more a movie than a game, but not sure...

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Quoting: jensVery cool, purchased from Feral Store.
I hope there will be many more games from Feral, but considering how Steam Play gets of the ground I fear this is already one of their latest games released for Linux.

How is Proton going better than Wine? Besides the direct integration in Steam which is very handy, and the good interaction with VR and gamepads, I don't see much difference with Wine. How is that "getting of the ground"? I mean, it doesn't seem like we can run more games than before than with Wine, and a native port is still a cleaner way to go and better seen by the community anyway.

Of course, a Feral port is a much better option to play a game and I would prefer that anytime. I just don't think that people will be patient enough to wait for a Feral port when a game already runs more or less out-of-the-box with Steam Play. That said, I hope that I'm wrong in this regard.

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Very cool, purchased from Feral Store.
I hope there will be many more games from Feral, but considering how Steam Play gets of the ground I fear this is already one of their latest games released for Linux.

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