Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensWhat I don't like is the constant Valve/Steam bashing from the GOG fraction that feels the need to highlight that DRM-free is the only allowed religion.

I personally don't consider DRM to be acceptable practice. That precludes any option of saying "that's OK to do".

That's fine for me. Enjoy your DRM-free games. Though not every thread about Valve/Steam/Feral is about DRM (well most aren't :)), thus just saying nothing is also an option.

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Quoting: Hamish

Quoting: jensHave you seen lately how many threads here on GOL about Valve/Steam/Feral got hijacked and turned into a bashing Steam session?

And this is far from the first thread to turn into a "GOG.com bashing session", as you would put it. It seems to be the GOL equivalent to the standard Linux distribution or text editor holy wars.

Yes, seems religion after all ;).

Quoting: HamishHere is my question though; GOG.com insists that Galaxy is completely optional, so how do Crackshell handle the Windows version of the game on GOG.com? Surely they must have a Windows version on GOG.com that does not have multiplayer available in order to have a non-Galaxy standalone installer?

I guess you would need to direct this question to the game devs.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensPlease come down from your elitism.

Please come down from your comfortable position of using the incumbent, and don't think that if you are comfortable with the situation, everyone else should be.

I'm not doing this, I'm happy for every GOG user that is happy with GOG. Enjoy your games!
What I don't like is the constant Valve/Steam bashing from the GOG fraction that feels the need to highlight that DRM-free is the only allowed religion. Have you seen lately how many threads here on GOL about Valve/Steam/Feral got hijacked and turned into a bashing Valve session?

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensMy guess is that they deliberately decided that the very few Linux GOG only users are simply not worth the effort (which would be a professional business decision). Though just assuming here, thus these are my thoughts only.

Treating GOG Linux users as second class citizens isn't something I consider professional either, so your hypothetical scenario only highlights my point.

Please come down from your elitism. Linux GOG only users are a small minority of a small minority. Doing lots of extra effort for this very small number of potential customers would be nothing but a courtesy.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensI can't image that you know what has been discussed between the engineers and publisher of this game, so I guess you are just assuming things.

There is no need to assume here. They explicitly said, lack of Galaxy needed for MP is release blocker here. If you want to blame it on the publisher - it doesn't make a difference to the end user. The result is still messed up. And yes, I consider such result unprofessional.

Contrary to you I don't want to blame anyone here nor want to call anyone unprofessional either. My guess is that they deliberately decided that the very few Linux GOG only users are simply not worth the effort (which would be a professional business decision). Though just assuming here, thus these are my thoughts only.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensI think it's quite unprofessional to call an engineer unprofessional without ever having spoken to him/her
or without ever having seen a bit of code.

Unfortunately not making multiplayer optional as a release blocker is so rampant, that it is unprofessional, because developers didn't do due research on this topic.

I can't image that you know what has been discussed between the engineers and publisher of this game, so I guess you are just assuming things.
It's sad to see that you feel the need to call game devs idiots (in your words "unprofessional" or "there is no excuse" ) only if they don't do things according to your (partially) extreme views.

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Quoting: ShmerlDevelopers should learn how to make this optional because it's not a multiplayer only game. Seriously, it's quite unprofessional. Added another Galaxy victim to the list.

That's the real problem with Galaxy, and not the lack of the client.

I think it's quite unprofessional to call an engineer unprofessional without ever having spoken to him/her
or without ever having seen a bit of code.

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Quoting: Pit

Quoting: jens

Quoting: PitNo, your statement was/is absolutely correct.

My answer wasn't against you, but targeted at those people always claiming how supportive Valve is to Linux. Because the two statements don't really go together well....

So it's only black or white for you?

On the contrary. I never denied Valve is contributing. I'm only pointing out that there are also black spots on their shirt that others seem to ignore/overlook.

Glad to read that, you initial posting on the subject suggests otherwise.

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Quoting: Pit

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: PitBut I'm always told here that Valve is soooo supportive of Linux. Hmmm.

Instead they keep HW details secret and have someone do reverse engineering to properly support Linux....

I really don't understand what point you were making with your tone in your post.
Did I say some thing bad?

No, your statement was/is absolutely correct.

My answer wasn't against you, but targeted at those people always claiming how supportive Valve is to Linux. Because the two statements don't really go together well....

So it's only black or white for you?

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Quoting: Shmerl"Done right" or not, it means removing user's choice.

I prioritize "done right and just works" far above "complete freedom of users choice". Time is much to precious for me to spend hours into setting up my environment.

Edit: removed some ranting, it's not worth it.

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