Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: Kimyrielle"Related", eh?

Same parent company, different people run them.

Your response is not really related to question how strong the ties are from the parent company. Do you have any insights how "free" the CEO's at GOG are in their decisions?

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: jens

Quoting: Shmerl"Done right" or not, it means removing user's choice.

I prioritize "done right and just works" far above "complete freedom of users choice". Time is much to precious for me to spend hours into setting up my environment.

Because those two things are antithetical, and openness makes things work badly. Got it.

For this specific case here my assumption is that supporting the Steam Controller (for Steam games) the FOSS way would, as also stated by others, take considerably more time. The overall experience for Steam games i.c.w. the controller would be in the short time, my assumption, not as good as it is now. This does not exclude that the final result of both approaches can be of the same.

-> "If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together." (African Proverb)
There are situation where going fast is a valid alternative, imho.

Just to be sure: FOSS and drivers upstream is cool and definitively the better way, just not the only way. There are different ways leading to Rome. I'm more pragmatic than others it seems, that's just all. Since Linux is supposed to be so much about freedom, why isn't Valve free to support their products te way they want? Valve is not forcing anybody to use their products. It works for them (and for me). People should simply choose different products and move on if they don't agree instead of cursing Valve continuously for their approach.

(English is not my native language, could be that I got your statement and the irony in it completely wrong. If my response makes no sense, then this is most likely the case.)

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensThat's fine for me. Enjoy your DRM-free games. Though not every thread about Valve/Steam/Feral is about DRM (well most aren't :)), thus just saying nothing is also an option.

This thread wasn't about DRM really, it was about developers who don't release games with SP because of MP requirement. Not sure what DRM has to do with it, so you talking about DRM was the actual off-topic :)

I can't imagine that you weren't able to follow this conversation, I guess you know what I wanted to say. :)
Anyway, indeed time to stop here. Everybody should stick to their favorite store and enjoy their games. We should stop to annoy friend of others stores by constantly rubbing presumably shortcomings into their faces.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensWhat I don't like is the constant Valve/Steam bashing from the GOG fraction that feels the need to highlight that DRM-free is the only allowed religion.

I personally don't consider DRM to be acceptable practice. That precludes any option of saying "that's OK to do".

That's fine for me. Enjoy your DRM-free games. Though not every thread about Valve/Steam/Feral is about DRM (well most aren't :)), thus just saying nothing is also an option.

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Quoting: Hamish

Quoting: jensHave you seen lately how many threads here on GOL about Valve/Steam/Feral got hijacked and turned into a bashing Steam session?

And this is far from the first thread to turn into a "GOG.com bashing session", as you would put it. It seems to be the GOL equivalent to the standard Linux distribution or text editor holy wars.

Yes, seems religion after all ;).

Quoting: HamishHere is my question though; GOG.com insists that Galaxy is completely optional, so how do Crackshell handle the Windows version of the game on GOG.com? Surely they must have a Windows version on GOG.com that does not have multiplayer available in order to have a non-Galaxy standalone installer?

I guess you would need to direct this question to the game devs.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensPlease come down from your elitism.

Please come down from your comfortable position of using the incumbent, and don't think that if you are comfortable with the situation, everyone else should be.

I'm not doing this, I'm happy for every GOG user that is happy with GOG. Enjoy your games!
What I don't like is the constant Valve/Steam bashing from the GOG fraction that feels the need to highlight that DRM-free is the only allowed religion. Have you seen lately how many threads here on GOL about Valve/Steam/Feral got hijacked and turned into a bashing Valve session?

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensMy guess is that they deliberately decided that the very few Linux GOG only users are simply not worth the effort (which would be a professional business decision). Though just assuming here, thus these are my thoughts only.

Treating GOG Linux users as second class citizens isn't something I consider professional either, so your hypothetical scenario only highlights my point.

Please come down from your elitism. Linux GOG only users are a small minority of a small minority. Doing lots of extra effort for this very small number of potential customers would be nothing but a courtesy.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensI can't image that you know what has been discussed between the engineers and publisher of this game, so I guess you are just assuming things.

There is no need to assume here. They explicitly said, lack of Galaxy needed for MP is release blocker here. If you want to blame it on the publisher - it doesn't make a difference to the end user. The result is still messed up. And yes, I consider such result unprofessional.

Contrary to you I don't want to blame anyone here nor want to call anyone unprofessional either. My guess is that they deliberately decided that the very few Linux GOG only users are simply not worth the effort (which would be a professional business decision). Though just assuming here, thus these are my thoughts only.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensI think it's quite unprofessional to call an engineer unprofessional without ever having spoken to him/her
or without ever having seen a bit of code.

Unfortunately not making multiplayer optional as a release blocker is so rampant, that it is unprofessional, because developers didn't do due research on this topic.

I can't image that you know what has been discussed between the engineers and publisher of this game, so I guess you are just assuming things.
It's sad to see that you feel the need to call game devs idiots (in your words "unprofessional" or "there is no excuse" ) only if they don't do things according to your (partially) extreme views.

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Quoting: ShmerlDevelopers should learn how to make this optional because it's not a multiplayer only game. Seriously, it's quite unprofessional. Added another Galaxy victim to the list [External Link].

That's the real problem with Galaxy, and not the lack of the client.

I think it's quite unprofessional to call an engineer unprofessional without ever having spoken to him/her
or without ever having seen a bit of code.

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