Quoting: Guest

Quoting: jens

Quoting: GuestNo, your statement was/is absolutely correct.

My answer wasn't against you, but targeted at those people always claiming how supportive Valve is to Linux. Because the two statements don't really go together well....

So it's only black or white for you?

On the contrary. I never denied Valve is contributing. I'm only pointing out that there are also black spots on their shirt that others seem to ignore/overlook.

Glad to read that, you initial posting on the subject suggests otherwise.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: GuestBut I'm always told here that Valve is soooo supportive of Linux. Hmmm.

Instead they keep HW details secret and have someone do reverse engineering to properly support Linux....

I really don't understand what point you were making with your tone in your post.
Did I say some thing bad?

No, your statement was/is absolutely correct.

My answer wasn't against you, but targeted at those people always claiming how supportive Valve is to Linux. Because the two statements don't really go together well....

So it's only black or white for you?

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Quoting: Shmerl"Done right" or not, it means removing user's choice.

I prioritize "done right and just works" far above "complete freedom of users choice". Time is much to precious for me to spend hours into setting up my environment.

Edit: removed some ranting, it's not worth it.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensThat is not a proper FOSS approach, correct. Fortunately Linux is more than FOSS.

While it's not a FOSS approach in general indeed, it's not a Linux approach in particular either. Drivers that are not upstreamed that is. Linux kernel maintainers are very clear on this point.

Not upstreaming has nothing to do with pragmatism. The driver can be upstreamed and shipped as kernel module for easier external installation of experimental updates that weren't upstreamed yet. AMD are doing exactly that.

Ok, I'll admit I reacted a little bit strong, I guess because this thread tented again to go into bashing Valve because they are not doing it "our" way.

Certainly it would be much better if the controller was supported on kernel level. Though it works for them (and for me), thus I'm fine with it. I can understand that things look different when one sees only the devil in Steam.

Regarding tying hardware to software, I don't see a problem to that approach either. When done right (especially the software part), the overall experience can be much better. Yes, I usually like Apple products ;)

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Quoting: Mal

Quoting: ShmerlWhy can't Valve make such driver and use it directly after that?

First thing I can think of because otherwise they would then depend from linux kernel release process for steam controller updates and features. And linux kernel guys have comprehensively other priorities. So it makes sense for them to leverage steam client to deliver their software since it's already good at doing that.

That's not a proper Linux approach, and Valve should know that. AMD for example could argue the same thing (like Nvidia did). But they decided to be a good Linux citizen. So can Valve.

That is not a proper FOSS approach, correct. Fortunately Linux is more than FOSS. It works for them and for lots of other people on Linux. Pragmatism is sometimes needed to get things done.

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I had this game since a while on my radar and finally decided to buy it. Runs perfectly here.

Edit:
After having played for a few hours: what a beautiful game, strongly recommended!

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Quoting: liamdaweI think their approach is one of the best personally.

They have seriously long-term support for their games, more so than the vast majority of developers. Pushing out DLC (that is not required) enables them to continue getting funds for each team working on each game, plus they always do a free content patch with each DLC.

It is a pretty good approach when one bought the base on its release date. Other publisher would have just released Crusader Kings III, IV, V etc. They do more or less the same but packaged as DLC's.

It gets a little bit complicated when one decides to buy lets say Crusader Kings II now, the base game including all DLC's then gets rather expensive. The DLC's that change the game mechanics should be somehow merged into the base game to keep the "entry" price always at a fair level imho.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyWhen the radicals turn out to be right, their thesis stops being radical and becomes received wisdom, and so it doesn't occur to anybody to consider it a "case in history" in which extremists were right.

Thanks, fair and absolutely valid point the way I stated my words ;).
I did consider using "religious fanatic" instead, I guess that would have better matched what I had in mind.

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Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: KimyrielleIn other words, yes, I think you're a part of the problem here.

No, I am part of the solution! :D

Yeah, this is what every extremist believes right? I haven't found a case in history where that ever turned out positive..

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Very cool, can't wait to press the purchase button!

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