Quoting: m0nt3

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: m0nt3Ubuntu needs a rolling release. Rolling release has been nice for me using opensource drivers. I dont have to worry about adding unofficial repositories and still get the latest stable drivers. The issue with rolling release is steam packaging old lib files that are incompatible with the opensource drivers.

If you want a rolling release, you can already use Debian testing.

It is not a true rolling release, as it has freezes states for when it moves into stable and it is not fitted with the larger repositories of Ubuntu, and due to its stance of remaining completely free there is no easy proprietary driver installation for instance or out of box support for things like audio and video decoding. in that case the user has to add the non-free repo.

And with Ubuntu's point releases system upgrades can cause breakage as can adding in unofficial repositories, which is why the rolling release would be nice.

Indeed, Debian did propaganda for years in claiming "stable" means stable&secure, but these packages were months outdated all things allready fixed upstream in new version, the Debians guys telling people only they can do it, but the actual developers of that software can't - lol
In reality "stable" means unstable&insecure&outdated

We have a trusted package base & software, let the developers fix their own software and give the fixes and new features faster to the novice users (which don't use mesa-git on their distro)
Same in kernel, running amdgpu_cik far over a year now, they claim not to be ready to be default, but that is wrong! Until CIK is activated by default, my gpu is not needed anymore and exchanged with newer graphic card. And the ROTFL is: amdgpu_si (even older cards) got straight to default upstream. I'm old, too - watching this for 20 years now, but on some spots of the open source developer community are sitting some lame ducks - conservative & full of fear (till the next fork happens;)

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Quoting: m2mg2we should talk about all distro's positively and not bring negativity about individual choice.

No, exactly not!!!
You see, to be real and believable (especially for non-linux users)
it would be advised to be objective and tell positive and negative things about linux - all other would be lying and "looking class"-view.

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Quoting: liamdawePlease do not bring distro wars here, they are not welcome. All it does it get people riled up.

We should celebrate our diversity. I don't like Ubuntu, but I have no issue with other people liking it. It has brought many users to Linux that may not be here otherwise. I'm not a huge fan of rolling release either as it can interfere with consistency. I'm happy with whatever distro works for the user, which is really what is important. You don't get that with Windows, the user does not matter. That is what Linux and FSF is about, user freedom. Celebrate it!

The fact that users can get current versions of mesa, llvm, radv in ubuntu more easily is great!

There is e.g. always a securtity reason by using 3rd party repos. Upstream should more care about it. I never read believable reasons to hold back widely wanted updates (from offical repos in ubuntu, fedora and others till next big half year upgrade.

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Quoting: Maquis196what I need to do is trace down xorg 1.19 so I can test those optimus changes properly, saying that though, time to get my Gentoo install working, back before UEFI it was easy, now it's just complicated!

I do miss Gentoo, hello darkness my old friend...

What has UEFI to do with xorg!? UEFI isn't more complicated either.

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Quoting: m0nt3The issue with rolling release is steam packaging old lib files that are incompatible with the opensource drivers.

(The thing with steam updates and their bundled libs - conflicts with their outdated libs and the graphic driver of your system) That was long time ago. Not anymore. Usually just install the meta package steam-native-runtime (maintains all 32bit libs in newest versions) and run steam-native.

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Quoting: ainumortisRolling release is not good for gaming, today all work, maybe tomorrow not, games and developers need some more stable to work.

This is a myth! Don't be a fool.

Tested distros and even DM/WM for best working with steam/BPM (stabilty/performance/newest drivers), and ubuntu indeeed was not better as widly proclaimed.

Also Ubuntu is just used as support distro by devs, because it is the most used, not more. (nothing to do it would be better on any way for gaming, or such).

Also just annoyed from all these fanboys, don't realizing they are - I just asked for a real reasons (besides "its popular, so I use it, too" ), nothing more, but for most got avoiding (expected) and flaming - they just give wrong believes, nothing about to see they made there mind up on there own - that, I think, is sad!

And liam always posts "new mesa drivers"-posts only about ubuntu, avoiding confrontation with any other distro and promoting only this 1. Given new linux users the view, beeing THE choice.

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Suprise;)-not, you all are using ubuntu!
At least I argued, but why u fanboys all haven choosen ubuntu in the first place!? Besides you had no clue and it was popular and big at that given time, so you are using it. (I tested so many distros in years (and many other folks did this too), but never found a good reason to choose suse or ubuntu (minus derivatives there are many other distros) - same reasons why others stick with windows??? So why you haven choosen ubuntu+derivatives? Have you even tried other distros before choosing? Which? And why do you stay with it? So obviously you want newest graphic drivers, but don't want to switch the distro.
(Seriously, I mean REAL reasons w/o fanboying (I see this already under every article about every game), not stupid arguments which concern every linux distro or are just wrong for ubuntu, because these arguments more belong to every other distro than ubuntu&Co)

BTW to the 1p: popular means "most used", but doesn't mean it's good (e.g. Windows lol) - so, I already said that.

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Who cares!? Ubuntu was sadly once popular, but was never good (edit:SAME AS SuSE). Fedora (Red Hat) is from some importance, leading a big part of linux development.

But folks these endless upgrade cyles and delays for new kernels, drivers, software - you want new graphics drivers faster w/o adding 3rd party PPAs, but still stable: Since a few years now there are Linux Distros with rolling releases - perfect for gaming and time saving

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