I will take even a more refined Steam controller for 2nd gen. With focus on software profiles and such. Imagine it to be even better fit and comfortable, and when you plug the controller it automatically connects to Emulator and the game you are running and sets up the best possible config for you. That would be amazing i.e software improvements.

Quoting: IzaicI'm willing to sell mine. It's lightly used, but in good condition.

Three fiddy!:tongue:

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Quoting: MohandevirTo me it's clear that Stadia is a good addition to my PC. I play on Stadia, games that I can't play on my PC (compatibility issues).

Sure, but whether it's a good addition for PC platform in regards to free choice is the real question. I understand and relate well to the compatibility issues but I think with Stadia we are trading alot for the convenience of having games be playable now, especially considering that Proton exists. Money we pay to Valve is likely going to be funded into Linux improvements with clear intent. Money you give to Google will go largely to Google's own interests, and if we somehow benefit from Stadia ecosystem it's not because they intended to but because they are using Vulkan or other crossplatform software.

Quoting: MohandevirPersonnally being able to play a game locally or in the cloud on a PS4 or Xbox has absolutely no meaning.

I mentioned that you can play through streaming or locally to make the point that consoles makers are interested, at least for now, to give gamers choice to play the way they like. Stadia's slogan is "One place for all ways we play", yet it's only streaming platform. I am not complaining they should, just highlighting they are giving you one choice that's all. And that choice becomes a big negative when and if Google pays for exclusivity for games.

Quoting: MohandevirYour are a prisoner of Sony and Microsoft's digital services. Same way you are a prisoner of Google when you use Stadia. What you are calling out is a situation that always existed and that Stadia didn't create, but it's worse because of Google? Or because they are late to the party? I still fail to see your point. In fact, I feel that I have more choices then ever before and, at least, Stadia runs on Debian Linux.

Indeed, Stadia and Google's approach is comparable to consoles and their makers. But the issue is that Stadia could direct game developent towards streaming only on PC and possibly hurt gaming on Linux's growth. I'd say what you feel is just a feeling. Google is giving you the choice to play by streaming, but they haven't offered you the choice to play same games natively. They haven't even put in the bare minimum which would be encouraging devs to port their Stadia games to Linux too. Stadia running on Debian is no guarantee that it will mean great things for desktop Linux. Despite many ROMs being based on AOSP, and Android being based on Linux kernel, a mobile FOSS os has not gotten good adoption and it's not easy to free yourself of Google's services and products.

Quoting: MohandevirYou are not talking about me for sure, but I must admit that Google has it's Zealots (which I'm absolutely not), just like Apple, Xbox, Playstation and even Linux users, but it's not something that's about to change. People tend to like to be identified to a banner and think their solution is better than the other because... Why in fact? ...Because they chose it, I guess.

Honestly it seems to me that there are zealots and aside them a good portion of people who are apathetic to zealots rhetoric. I've not seen a post raising the question that Google's push for streaming can be bad for others prefered playstyle. Today Google has barely engaged in exclusivity deals, but imagine if they did as much as Epic, then PC platform would a cesspool of exclusivity. Then they would "force" people to play games through streaming. Judgment will not be available PC so it seems like Google may be ramping up their exclusivity game. Similar happened with Stadia pushing out Geforce Now support.

Quoting: MohandevirI'm not even trying to convince anybody to use Stadia. Just giving my personnal experience with the service, which I find pretty polished and well tought out. Lots of small details that makes it natural to use and well integrated in the Google ecosystem (and it's not even officially out on Android TV). I'm just stating the facts that I witnessed. Is it the best? I don't know. Make your own opinion. All I can say it's the one I prefer, compared to GeForce Now, which I tried and replaced with the Steam Link app... Not going to tell you that you must think like me, but using a Windows host for my Steam games is beyond my strength. I feel dirty when doing that, even when I have complaints about Protondb or Linux in general. :wink:

I haven't used it but from what I've gleaned Stadia seems like the best streaming service option. I just see many reasons not to use Google product. I have no issue with anyone using Stadia, but I will always be honest about it and I think though we gain games in the short term, in long run we may be aiding to worsening of PC platform as a whole. Not a PC platform with alot choice (like Valve gives with Remote Play, native local release and Proton) but one where streaming is largely only choice. And streaming is the ultimate DRM and supports Games as a service model even better.

TLDR: I wish Stadia supporters stopped pretending they are a family with Google and remember that Google buying exclusive rights to games affects fellow gamers. It's not "One place for all ways we play", with Judgment exclusivity it has become "One way for us to play". Streaming, don't like it? Sucks for you. Another prison for you. Also I like to think we who game on Linux are more conscious of DRM and other foul practices and would stand firm against bad practices. We may not experience that Judgment is exclusive to Stadia, because the only choice we have is play it on Stadia or not at all (assuming Judgment was a problem game in regards to compatibility), but Windows PC users will notice the lack of the choice to play the game locally.

More on topic: I wouldn't worry about Stadia just because they are foregoing first party games. If the service stays top quality and Google stays on it, it will push forward. It won't happen anytime soon though, maybe in two to four years?

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Quoting: MohandevirJust curious... In what is it any different than buying a PS4, XBox or Nintendo Switch? Why should it be more damaging? Imo it's a Linux console in the cloud. It's not a PC. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see why...

Both consoles have local and streaming. If a third party game is exclusive to Stadia it means it's streaming exclusive. If a game is exclusive to a console, it's a hardware exclusive. The thing with consoles and Stadia is they are quite similar though. The times I've viewed Stadia sub I get a "we are a family let's stick together and nurture this plant" vibe. And people are busy with convincing others to use Stadia. How one could buy into such things when Google could or would buy exclusive rights to third party games, that would affect other gamers choice, is beyond me. Yes, it's great you enjoy Stadia but if Stadia has negative consequences for others, then maybe it's not so great.

Choice is important. You should be able to play the same game with Stadia just as I should be able to play it through GOG or Steam. Unfortunately Google has shown more signs of not wanting to give people choice than the opposite.

If Stadia Pro is not better compared to consoles. That it's a product here to help Google not gamers, then someone should make a wake up post on /r/Stadia and remind them of that.

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One thing that is swept under the rug is how Stadia creates division. There was and is no reassurance from Google that they won't make Stadia successful at expense of local play. By that I don't mean they should allow local play on Stadia, I mean them getting exclusivity for games like Epic. Or doing anything else that's not third party exclusivity that won't erode availability or freedom to play games locally. But who cares about others as long as I get what I want right? Stadia is great! I can stream wohooo! Look at my controller in my gym bag! Wohoo!

In my opinion ensuring others are not negatively impacted by Stadia should be a concern by Stadia fans, but it does not seem like it. They largely don't care, and so I don't care. Division among gamers. Driving industry forward. Yeah right...

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Ironic name for the launcher. Epic Games are do little heroic deeds. They have helped make third party exclusivity a bigger thing on PC and are quite complacent in regards to helping Linux. Why are they not giving Vulkan as much attention as D3D12? Adoption of crossplatform software is essential for a future with native releases. And landing EAC support for Proton is important to create more momentum for Linux so that market share goes up. Not only does Vulkan lay groundwork for a future where devs can transition to Linux with less issues but it also gives best performance through Proton with negligible performance impact.

Tim Sweeney is also a shady character. We've always used many stores but in a tweet his wording implied that such thing has not been happening at all. That people had been buying from Steam only when in fact people do buy from other stores. It's just that Valve has, with Steam, provided a good choice which has made many people continue to buy from them. His thinking is made more evident with his company's actions, a quote from a spokesman (EGS integration into GOG Galaxy 2.0):

"It’s an important step towards breaking down walls between PC stores, as it enables a unified experience for players to manage their PC games library independent of where their games were purchased."

Why should people care about breaking Steam's dominance when you and your company continue to either be complacent about or in worst case support Microsoft's dominance on game development? Mind you Steam isn't a bad store to begin with. It's just that Epic Games can't compete with them with features. They even did some data collecting of Steam folders. Probably to combat Steam but it's such a slimy tactic, they did it without permission from Valve and users.

#FreeFortnite where they involved kids to put pressure on Apple while they sued them. But all these things don't surprise me from someone who talks about open platforms but doesn't support the most open of them all.

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: LinuxwarperAnd Google is somehow much better? The problem isn't that they shutdown projects, they are the problem. I've seen many sites and services respect GDPR. But Google? They have already opted you into everything when you use their services. And when you click to opt out they add in a extra layer of barrier that is a prompt asking you if you are sure. Making the process of protecting yourself from their data collecting cumbersome and tiring.

Curious what country you live in that allows Google to use opt-out policies.

Here in the UK, everything Google does is opt-in. Everything.
Location. Contacts. Imprint. Assistant. It's CONSTANTLY popping up permissions when you first start using their services. Hell, you can't even search without accepting the privacy policy.

That's good to know. Northern EU. Everytime I interact with Youtube, when reviewing their privacy popup, everything is turned on.

Quoting: drlambIt's about the long term here. Stadia has helped Linux game development 10X what Valve has been able to do thus far in terms of AAA studios developing for/on Linux. While you may never benefit directly from this, its benefits are there.

Long term we could be looking at Stadia's streaming exclusive nature devouring local releases and at same time being one of many products under a ChromeOS/Fuschia ecosystem. There is zero commitment from Google to preserve gaming on Linux or/and local game releases.

Valve's commitment on other hand has been clear. Their goal is to make Windows games run as well as they possibly can on Linux through Proton, and they encourage Vulkan use. Unlike Google they also have provided all of their games natively. Proton is long term and it's at core of Valve's strategy to help Linux. Stadia has helped 10X of Valve's efforts? Absolute nonsense. It's not about getting developers to use Linux software, it's about market share. With market share developers will use Vulkan and every other software that works on Linux. You are not making a good point if you think that reason Linux isn't supported is because developers don't want to use or isn't used to using Linux friendly software like Vulkan. Stadia builds market share for Google, Proton builds market share for desktop Linux.

As I've pointed out, just like developers decide to forego a native release because their game works with Proton, developers could decide to forego local development and rely on Stadia. They could decide to target Linux players with Stadia or/and not provide Vulkan renderer for Proton compatibility.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeYeah, even the fact that the Facebook VR headsets can be jailbroken, I still wouldn't buy one because it gives Zuckerberg more money.

I wouldn't ever touch Stadia because it's Google. I mean how many projects have they put out there then went 'meh, we're bored of this now' and shut down?

And Google is somehow much better? The problem isn't that they shutdown projects, they are the problem. I've seen many sites and services respect GDPR. But Google? They have already opted you into everything when you use their services. And when you click to opt out they add in a extra layer of barrier that is a prompt asking you if you are sure. Making the process of protecting yourself from their data collecting cumbersome and tiring.

Their way is a proprietary and anti free way. Just because they deal with open source and Linux doesn't mean their values align with what users of FOSS distributions love. It's not about closed or open. Even closed source software can be good as long as it respects users choices and privacy. So you can provide open source software but that doesn't make the provider a champion of FOSS principles.

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Quoting: drlambI took your question as Stadia vs. Steam, apologies.

In the question of GoG vs. Steam I agree with both of you.

If it hasn't been clear, I honestly have a really bad feeling about Stadia. Consider this, do you want GOG on Windows to flourish or Stadia on Linux? GOG is a drm free platform while Stadia is as close to drm sun as you can get. Yes, I know Stadia is most likely excellent streaming but at what cost? Vulkan renderer for Cyberpunk on Steam/GOG is likely not happening. So where did we benefit with that game? Didn't we expect Stadia to help native development or at very least make Proton compatibility better by devs using Vulkan? That didn't happen.

It's not a uncommon thing though. People trade their rights away for convenience all the time. Then later when companies who provided the convenience do something they don't like, they are then surprised. Facebook and their VR headsets being cheap as opposed to waiting to buy VR from Valve a company that is much better than Facebook. I rather wait with VR than buy from Facebook. I also will wait for a better streaming service from Valve or a other company than use one from a company that uses open source but often clashes with FOSS ideals.

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Quoting: einherjarAnd my question was: Why not on Steam? I mean, who made it possible to play it on Linux?

I agree with this. I think CDP saying that if we buy their game on GOG they get 100% is strange thing. I guess they are saying that to Windows users. But for us Linux users, it's totally void statement because why would we give 100% of our money to them when they don't seem to want to even consider providing Vulkan renderer? Ultimately the decision is up to yourself, but I think buying the game on Steam gives the most back to Linux. If I had any power over the split, I would have given 25% to Valve.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LinuxwarperHave you watched the HotHardware interview [External Link] with Scott Herkelman and Frank Azor?

Sounds good. That's the right way to do it. Good to see AMD are behind this idea. Nvidia will just keep making NIHs instead.

Yeah, I am hoping when he says open and crossplatform, that he also is thinking of Linux as well and not just open and crossplatform in context of all the big actors. NIHs? Is that some short for proprietary tech or something? If so, yeah I don't think Nvidia will change their tune. They have tried to silence Hardware Unboxed with their latest crap.

Upscaling will be nice. GPUs are to few and to expensive. I've hoped for a Pulse like you, but that one is nowhere to be seen. Reference cards seem to be ghosts.

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