> Open sources a calculator
> Makes Edge available (strategy tactic I bet)
> DX12 made available for WSL but not for Linux and continues pushing it on developers
Their love for linux managed to warm 0.5/1000 of my cold penguin heart:whistle:

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I think the expectations of companies porting to Linux is somewhat unreasonable in general. If a company does so, goes through major work to provide a quality release where they target Ubuntu, and then the return on investment is low - why should they? And the assertion that "Indies can manage to make games for many distros why can't big companies???!" is such cloudy argument. Indies are small games with simple design that are easy to scale to Linux. Where as when you are developing a major game like AC Valhala or Cyberpunk, even representing cars in the game becomes a huge project in itself. You have tech like DLSS and raytracing. If big games were so easily and cost effective to release for Linux as indies are, then you would surely have seen raytracing for many if not all indie games. And I am not talking about "We have raytracing", I am talking about shadows, global illumination and reflections.

Quite honestly such argument is nonsense. Looking at a indie game being available on Linux and then asking why big games can't be either. I don't know it all, but one thing I know I should expect from developers it is to provide Vulkan renderer and get involved with Proton issues for their games. If a company decides to port their games, then find out the business isn't there for them then they will give up on Linux in a sour way. I hope Proton will increase marketshare and raise awareness so that Linux gets to that point that more games will be worth it.

It may be a unpopular opinion, but tell me friends..where is that Metro Exodus port we were told would come? If major games like it are so profitable on Linux, why are they so few and far in between? I feel like by time a new major game is released for Linux (year or years later) the Windows version should be very playable through Proton and cost much less ($10 vs $50+).

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Quoting: FrawoTotally agree with this, but I still want Stadia to succeed anyway. Because if it does, it could convince more companies to choose Vulkan over DX12 in the first place, as they would have near to no trouble porting their stuff to Stadia. Linux users would benefit from Vulkan, even if there would be no Linux version at all. And I don't like the idea of MS dominating the graphics api market again...

I really hope CDPR already regrets being tied to DX12, especially now against the background of their crunch time.

What if Stadia's success turns to dominance, and Google makes streaming exclusive deals? Then you would be trading in one evil with another. I wouldn't worry much about Microsoft dominating, Valve seems to be committed to improving gaming on Linux. They are not only improving Proton (DX11/DX12 games) but they are also providing VR support. I hear the VR support isn't perfect, but neither was Proton either if you look back to when it all began.

I wouldn't judge CDPR so harshly. Crunch or no crunch at least their game practices are largely good. Where as other companies I bet do crunch on top of filling their games with ads, drm, micro transaction and other awful things. We will see what kind of company CDPR truly is with Cyberpunk and Witcher nextgen. But whatever they do, hateful or angry posts will never help to change the situation.

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Quoting: ShmerlI'm not sure I'm going to buy the game any time soon. I'll wait for CDPR to make an effort to release the game for desktop Linux, or the game to go on a major sale on GOG first, to play it in Wine.

I said things wrong. I will wait and see if CDPR implements Vulkan for Cyberpunk. If they do, then I will consider buying game early. If they don't, I will do as you and wait til major sale.

If CDPR does not include Vulkan for Cyberpunk or Witcher nextgen, then I will have no doubt anymore about them being hostile to Linux.

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I rather wait to buy the game through Steam instead of giving cash to Google. At least Valve is doing things for Linux. And please don't bring up all contributions Google has done for Linux, as of yet there has been very little contributions from them for gaming. If they somehow have made things better on Linux it would seem like a side effect of tech they have used, like how they use Vulkan.

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Quoting: AnzaEspecially in that kind of scenario things are easier for Google if games are run on Linux.

Define Linux in this context. Debian? Any of the major Linux distributions? Or Google's fork of Debian? And if it runs on Google's Stadia customized Debian, there is little to no guarantee the game will run on Linux. Google could also diverge on the path of Debian further to point that their Debian may become so different to vanilla Debian that porting games would be cumbersome.

Quoting: AnzaSo in short is that Google might not see Steam as big enough threat for Stadia that they would have paid attention what ChromeOS team is doing. Besides more users playing games on Linux means developers are more interested in making native Linux ports, which in turn makes it easier for developers to port their games to Stadia and that in turn makes it more likely to developers notice the exclusive Stadia features.

It seems to be a conscious decision to use Steam to build momentum for Stadia. I don't think Stadia team isn't working closely with ChromeOS team. It would seem like a obvious thing that these two work together so that gaming on Chromebooks become larger than it is, whether that be through Stadia or not.

It's certainly interesting to follow Stadia developments and it's side effects on desktop Linux ecosystem.

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Quoting: GuestI doubt Google cares about porting games to desktop GNU/Linux. They likely wouldn't mind it too much, if it means an easier development time should the title want to arrive on Stadia one day; they're not actively against it, but aren't pushing for it either. Desktop simply isn't their market area.

There is no doubt, they don't want to port games to Linux. I am not trying to make a big point out of all this but if Google's market is streaming, why are they working on Steam support for ChromeOS? One can easily understand why, they are creating momentum for gaming on Chromebooks which at one point will be steered to strictly streaming.

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I'd argue that even if Linux had 5% marketshare, Google would be opposed to the companies porting their games to Linux as well. So Stadia isn't only anti local play but also anti Linux. Linux is largely about choice, just because Stadia gives you a choice today doesn't mean in future it won't take one away. I wish I could say otherwise, but honestly that's what the end game seems to be with Stadia.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeHa, well at least I wasn't labeled an 'influencer'.

Now we just need a better way to get emulation within Big Picture mode. Like work with libretro. *hint hint at Valve*

I haven't used emulation with Steam but why don't you use RetroArch?

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Quoting: slaapliedjeTo be fair, I had posted a few times that it'd be awesome if Valve integrated Wine within Steam before Proton became a thing. Whether or not I had any influence on that decision is doubtful, but hey, I was there before it was a thing asking it to be a thing

Do tell us what will happen next oh holy prophet:tongue:

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