Quoting: AciDFor a website promoting Linux, and hence the freedom it brings, I'm ASTONISHED by the very, very narrow views some of the commenters are trying to explain here.

A law will give the consumer more liberty, and you see that as bad?!

Please.

Also, for those who keep repeating 'stores should drop the French market', you first need to understand how the EU market works.
Scratch that, those of you talking about how X could affect Y should first take a deep breath, then learn how a free market work compared to one with monopolies (which you are promoting).

I still can't believe we are seeing those type of comments on a Linux website!

No-one is disputing that more liberty is "good". But it's a naive view that there's no price to that liberty. Many of those "narrow" views you're referring to are simply savvy of the likely catastrophic effect that this liberty will have on the industry. Indie devs will see revenue drop off to the point that they simply can't make a profit (most are already struggling to do so). AAA devs will move to a model of subscription or even more aggressive microtransactions to compensate for the resale model causing a drop off of new sales.

More liberty is great. It's just the consequences of all that freedom that we're discussing.

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Quick note on anyone saying Valve should 'just exit France'. France is part of the EU, of course and this ruling would likely become EU law. I'm pretty sure the EU market is gigantic enough that just abandoning it is out of the question.

Also, for those wondering why they're going after Valve only, you can absolutely bet that if this becomes EU legislation, it'll affect all online digital stores. Valve are just the test case here.

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Quoting: subWhy doesn't this automatically affect other digital game stores in France immediately?
Someone hast to go to court against Epic, GOG, ... separately, one by one?

I think that if this passes into law, it will affect all stores.

What's most interesting here is how it will affect Google Play and Apple Appstore. And the upcoming Stadia, of course. I think there will be significant opposition to France's ruling here. It will set a precedent across multiple markets worth, literally, billions.

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Very excited about Stoneshard and Pine. I'm beginning to weirdly not care about Shadow of the Tomb Raider. It feels like we've been waiting for it for literally years. I wonder what happened to it?

Hellpoint is right up my street too. So many awesome games coming. Magic.

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Quoting: TheRiddickAllot of the mouse capture issues are related to people with more then 1 monitor, which apparently is not many of us. This results in the problem being prevalent apparently since testing is mostly done on single monitor setups.

Yep, all of my mouse issues are when my pointer would leave the right edge of my primary game screen and appear on the left edge of my non-game screen.

For Fallout 4, I can work around the problem slightly by repositioning the virtual layout of my monitors to be above/below each other. It doesn't actually fix the issue, but you're much less likely to look directly up while playing! When you do, you'll still get the freeze as the mouse 'leaves' the game space, but it's much easier to deal with.

Couldn't you just disable one of the monitors before you start the game?

Would mean moving all my windows back over when I'm done... not sure if that's more of a hassle to be honest! I'll do some tests this weekend though and report back.

I am not sure I understand what you mean? Are your app's windows tied to the specific monitor? I would expect they would be on their own separate virtual workspace and just disabling a monitor won't move anything.

Oh... or do you have just one workspace stretched across two monitors?

Yep, exactly that. Hmmm, you have me thinking though - I could just put Steam into its own workspace and then turn off the monitor? Options. At my PC now. I'll have a play about.

[EDIT: Well, that worked pretty well. I put Steam in a separate workspace, turn off the second monitor, play Fallout 4 flawlessly, then turn the monitor back on again when I'm done and switch back to my "main" workspace - all my windows are correctly positioned. Excellent!]

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Quoting: TheRiddickAllot of the mouse capture issues are related to people with more then 1 monitor, which apparently is not many of us. This results in the problem being prevalent apparently since testing is mostly done on single monitor setups.

Yep, all of my mouse issues are when my pointer would leave the right edge of my primary game screen and appear on the left edge of my non-game screen.

For Fallout 4, I can work around the problem slightly by repositioning the virtual layout of my monitors to be above/below each other. It doesn't actually fix the issue, but you're much less likely to look directly up while playing! When you do, you'll still get the freeze as the mouse 'leaves' the game space, but it's much easier to deal with.

Couldn't you just disable one of the monitors before you start the game?

Would mean moving all my windows back over when I'm done... not sure if that's more of a hassle to be honest! I'll do some tests this weekend though and report back.

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Quoting: TheRiddickAllot of the mouse capture issues are related to people with more then 1 monitor, which apparently is not many of us. This results in the problem being prevalent apparently since testing is mostly done on single monitor setups.

Yep, all of my mouse issues are when my pointer would leave the right edge of my primary game screen and appear on the left edge of my non-game screen.

For Fallout 4, I can work around the problem slightly by repositioning the virtual layout of my monitors to be above/below each other. It doesn't actually fix the issue, but you're much less likely to look directly up while playing! When you do, you'll still get the freeze as the mouse 'leaves' the game space, but it's much easier to deal with.

[EDIT: Well, this proton has no effect on Fallout 4's mouse capture - I still freeze when my mouse leaves the main window. BUT, see my edited comment below for a pretty sweet workaround. Obviously, it would be better if Wine/Proton actually handled multi-monitor better though.]

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Reckon I'll give Fallout 4 another shot to see if they've improved the mouse capture in that game.

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And Steam Play sales are confirmed to count as Linux sales, so the platform stats should be fairly accurate for purchases too.

I might dip back into this game. It's a huge amount of fun and ran flawlessly (literally) under Steam Play last I tried it. I have about 40 hours already.

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And that's just the bits that stand out as individual utterances. In context, much of the rest of what you said is very dismissive and snide, as well.

Yes, that happens in a discussion where two people don't agree.

You can still discuss without being snide.

Let's all just remember that someone is sitting at a keyboard and be excellent to each other. This devolved from an honest question about why people hate Discord to a real mess of back and forth that wasn't productive for anyone.

I'll post the results of the privacy report when I receive it, in the vague notion that someone might still be interested.

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