I think I still have my boxes for MW2 and its various expansions. They were truly superb games.

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I feel a little off about some of the keys I've obtained through Humble Bundles. I've sank about 20 hours into Subnautica now, which plays pretty well in Proton, but I got it as part of a bundle. And since it was Windows only at the time, I slid its slider right down to zero. And now here I am playing it.

Feels weird.

I guess I shouldn't feel that bad though - the Subnautica devs haven't raised a finger to support the platform, it's just a quirk of Valve's continuing push to support it. But still. Yeah, feels weird.

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I think I'd like a separate Wine and SteamPlay question. I wonder if it's even worth capturing (purely out of curiousity) a distinction between "playing Windows games through Wine" and "playing official Windows games seamlessly".

Like, if you don't tick the "Use Proton for all titles" box in the Steam beta, you can only actually download and play the officially supported, whitelisted titles. At that point, it doesn't feel like "using wine". It feels like just installing and playing an officially supported title, that happens to not have a SteamOS logo on its sales page (although I imagine that will come, if Proton proves successful and reliable enough).

So...
Do you use Wine (Wine, Proton, or DXVK)?
Do you play official Windows games using SteamPlay?

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Quoting: baccilusWhy are so many people testing games on older drivers?

Yeah, pretty frustrating. Especially since some of the functionality of Proton/DXVK actually relies on the most up-to-date Nvidia driver (assuming you're using NVidia).

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: WendigoValve did a really clever move here to force game developers into cross platform development. Publishers will now have to make sure that their games run on all platforms Steam supports, no matter if they intend it to run there or not since the games were made available everywhere. Even though players get a notice when starting a game via proton I guess quite a few will still down vote a game that doesn't run on Linux or OSX, so the Publishers have 3 choices:

1) Do nothing and get a bad rating that affects their future sales of the game.
2) Make sure their game runs with Proton on all operating systems that Steam supports and hope that a future change in Proton doesn't break the game.
3) Do a proper cross platform port or develop future games with cross platform in mind and have control over the game's performance on Linux and OSX.

I guess the third option is the best choice.

If you think this is going to force publishers to support Linux, you are delusional. If you start leaving shitty reviews because stuff doesnt run well on Proton... the end result will be publishers will loudly complain to Valve about it, and force them to blacklist their game from Proton.

You dont get ANYTHING by being shitty to devs and publishers. Didn't Witcher 3 teach you that ?

Your language sounds like an attack, Jaycee. Wendigo wasn't suggesting that (s)he would do this, nor advocating others. It was simply an acknowledgement that this will happen.

And Witcher 3 did teach us that this will happen.

Hopefully Valve have a plan for when it does. Because of the nature of Proton, I can see a lot of potential abuse of the refund system, along with bad reviews, as Wendigo suggests. Buy a game, doesn't run in proton, leave a crap review, refund game.

I expect Valve will update their refund Terms of Service pretty soon...

Edit: [Terms of Service are here [External Link], if anyone's interested. And for the record, I agree with Jaycee that publishers/devs won't be forced into anything here, even by bad reviews - they'll just ask for that blacklist, if such a thing even exists...]

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Sorry if this has been asked before - is Proton going to contribute back into Wine generally? I suppose I'm asking if DXVK progress helps Wine more generally?

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I've been following Leafy for years - they do great updates on Youtube. But I hope they incorporate a tutorial soon. I played a bit of single-player as Captain and called in bots for the vacant roles and I had literally no idea what was going on half (most of, really) the time! It didn't end well... :D

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Quoting: mirothis would totally be acceptable for older/legacy titles, but I really think too many will jump on that train that it runs with proton and that there is no need to compile it for linux.
we'll see.

Definitely a concern. But then "native" builds didn't always get great performance either. I'm most concerned that this encourages devs to simply do DX again and is the death of Vulkan.

Too early to see how it goes. Let's wait for performance and reliability reports first, eh?

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A lot of reviews call this game a "2D version of From the Depths". So today, I learned that there's a game called From the Depths [Steam [External Link]], which looks pretty awesome and has a Linux build!!

I've wishlisted this and might well end up buying both games. I LOVE building games and I'm currently trying to wean myself off Robocraft and avoid buying Terratech.

So many awesome games out there...

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This just looks like a big pile of fun, not taking itself too seriously. I think I'll be picking this up.

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