Quoting: 14Also, why would you scare people away by saying it's 50 GBP on sale?

Haha - that wasn't my intention! I loved the game, and there's decent end-game content if you invest yourself in the game. But at the end of the day, if you want the whole experience, nothing I said was a lie. Sure, you can pick up the base game on sale for £13 (or $16 as you note), but if you want the full game, it's never gone below 25% (as it is right now) and that's £50. It's just not great value for money, unless you intend to really, really dedicate yourself to it.

I finished it twice and agree that there is some enjoyment in how differently the characters play. But I didn't feel like doing a third run, and I can't away from the fact that my 30 hours of playthrough for £50 just isn't great value, especially when I stack it next to something like Gunfire Reborn, Deep Rock Galactic, or Noita.

Great fun though, excellent gun play, and some interesting skills and customisation!

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Quoting: itscalledreality> The best thing that Back for Blood accomplished was making people realize how good Left 4 Dead really was

I think this is an entirely unfair thing to say and a label that society placed on Back 4 Blood. Turtle Rock Studios never made claims that the game would be Left 4 Dead 3, even though they created Left 4 Dead. It is society’s own damn fault if you can’t get over that connection. They are similar but very different games. This stigma is just juvenile. It still sells at $50 because it still sells at $50.

TRS might not have claimed to be making L4D3, but the media certainly did, right alongside implying that TRS were the "creators of L4D", which they obviously lapped up. Remember that TRS, back then, was only 6 members of the 200 or so Valve staff that created or contributed to L4D. They wanted ALL the associations so that people would buy into their game.

As for selling for $50 because it sells at $50? Well, it doesn't, which is why it's almost permanently on sale for around $15 at other stores and frequently discounted on Steam to around the same price.

Stats like this don't lie.


I love that you love this game, but you're definitely a minority. Which is fine - I have a heap of games I love that aren't mainstream. I'm not sure why you're being, well, slightly aggressively defensive about it.

It's just not one that I'll ever try, thanks to Denuvo.

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Quoting: ripper81358I use Dolphin myself. Having it available on steam is not critical to me. I have Dolphin installed as a flatpak on my end. So any steamdeck user can easily install it that way too.

That's just not how most people will use such a device IMHO.

Usually, I'd agree, but I think any crowd comfortable with tinkering with emulation will be absolutely fine booting into desktop mode to install a flatpak. I'm not much a tinkerer, but Liam's article on adding Decky Loader support is so easy to follow and complete that it's absolutely trivial. I doubt many emulation fans will even care that Dolphin is off Steam.

I would have figured that the main difference of having it available on Steam with no muss and no fuss would be precisely that a whole lot of people who are not "comfortable with tinkering with emulation" would be comfortable just downloading something from Steam.

Sure, but that's not the experience. You download Dolphin... now what? Now you need to rip games off your cartridges, or more likely, source them from dubious sources. My point being that if you're committed to emulation, running a flatpak on your SteamDeck is no big deal.

However, I wasn't aware that this somehow magically enabled cloud-saves, as Arale-senpai pointed out, so that's definitely a loss.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: ripper81358I use Dolphin myself. Having it available on steam is not critical to me. I have Dolphin installed as a flatpak on my end. So any steamdeck user can easily install it that way too.

That's just not how most people will use such a device IMHO.

Usually, I'd agree, but I think any crowd comfortable with tinkering with emulation will be absolutely fine booting into desktop mode to install a flatpak. I'm not much a tinkerer, but Liam's article on adding Decky Loader support is so easy to follow and complete that it's absolutely trivial. I doubt many emulation fans will even care that Dolphin is off Steam.

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Quoting: TcheyIn the same genre i’d say, a new game to come that seems great : Helldivers 2.

They're doing a sequel? The first game was a LOT of fun. Almost like bits of Magicka, but mixed into a sci-fi universe, in a mission-based, satisfying shooter hellscape. This is GREAT news.

Although, now that I see it - different studio, different style entirely [External Link] (over-the-should third-person, instead of Diablo-like). Still, very exciting!!

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Quoting: drjomsB4B, sunk 500 hours into it. Its a good game.

Quoting: DrakkerSame here, I don't get all the hate that Back 4 Blood gets.

I'm curious if the ProtonDB reports are false then? Is EAC working consistently now? There are still recent reports that EAC kicks you out on Linux, although many SteamDeck reports that it's okay? Or are you both playing on Windows?

Regardless, after watching that comparison video, it's obvious that there just isn't the same quality or attention to detail that L4D has. But thanks for pointing out the higher-difficult modes and deckbuilding, which definitely adds strategy and stronger class-based options than L4D can offer.

I still wouldn't touch it with a bargepole due to Denuvo (and the price), but I suspect I've been far too harsh on the gameplay aspects, given both your comments!

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Well, after watching that video, it's no surprise to see this line in the Kickstarter:

We are heavily inspired by video games like Okami, Hollow Knight, Paper Mario, Dust Force and Celeste and Anime such as Spirited away, Attack on Titan, Demon Slayer, Princess Mononoke and Mononoke.

emphasis mine

I guess I can add this one as a reference to my Hollow Knight article... :grin:

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Quoting: GuestWow, Is the Deck just 40% AdobeRGB?

Somebody corrects me if I'm wrong, since I'm more pratocal about NTSC and SRGB colorspaces, but it seems AdobeRGB is equivalent to NTSC, and 40% means seriously washed out colors (how does the red looks on the Deck, kinda orange-ish?), more or less the same you find in 300/400 euros laptops; good for office use, but definitely NOT for running games or watching movies, what a shame.

If you'd ever seen and used a SteamDeck and then described it's screen as washed out, you'd be laughed out of town. At least on the top end unit, the screen is vibrant and crystal clear.

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Not a game I'd touch anyway, since it has Denuvo, but haven't they heard that you can plug a SteamDeck into a monitor? Now when you do that... what happens? Just, no options?

Idiotic.

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Quoting: SeegrasAnd here is a rant from 1851(!) in "The Economist"(!) that already understood why a patent system is total dreck:
https://seegras.discordia.ch/Blog/voices-against-the-patent-system-the-economist-1851/ [External Link]

Wow, that article is incredible. And it describes a 6 month period for patents whereby "good inventions will find a market". I feel like the whole patent trolling bullshit we see today could be solved by introducing that exact barrier. By all means patent your idea, but if no products are created for market within 6 months (either by you or others), then the patent is invalidated. Or even better, become open source, since the idea was publicly registered. You'd turn patents from a barrier into a rich source of idea generation.

Maybe 6 months is too short a period?

And I've no idea how to treat existing patents, except to arbitrarily scrapping them.

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