Is that contentious though??

I support Godot, Wine AND a tiny handful of indie developers for that very reason! I also support Icculus and it annoys me no end that Ethan Lee only allows GitHub payments, or I'd be throwing him $5 a month too. My Patreon bill is nearly as high as my TV bill these days!!

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I should have known better to raise the emulator thing on GOL...

So, just so we're clear:

• Spectrum was better than C64


• Atari ST was better than Amiga


• Sega Megadrive was better than the Nintendo SNES


• GIMP is a stupid name that detracts from its professional image


• Ubuntu Unity was among the best DE's in existence


• Window buttons should be on the right side of the window decoration


• vi is cursed - just use nano


• AMD is superior to Nvidia (on Linux)


• PC does not mean Windows


• Wine is an emulator for the vast, vast majority of people

Glad I got all that off my chest. And it's Friday! Roll on the weekend. Have a good one, everyone!

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: scaineMan, this is like the The Witcher 2 argument all over again. My personal view is that whatever is under the hood is largely irrelevant, provided it performs reasonably. That's a vague term, and dependent on your hardware, sure, but "native" for me is nothing to do with wine, dxvk, togl, indirectx or whatever is doing the translation. It's whether the developer is willing to put a Linux logo on the store front.

As for Wine Is Not an Emulator? It amazes me people still care about this recursive "joke" and the distinction it implies. It runs Windows software in Linux, with a performance hit. Who cares if it's actually a re-implementation of the underlying windows system calls? As Alm888 notes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck... we may as well call it a duck. No-one who isn't a pretty hard-core Linux nerd will care about whatever that distinction means in real terms.

You also probably think FPGA implementations are emulators? :p

My favorite recursive acronym was MiNT, which initially stood for MiNT is Not TOS. Atari couldn't come up with their own mutitasking thing so snagged that and called it MiNT is Now TOS.

There is NO inherent performance hit with Wine. It is simply a matter of whether or not the APIs are are implemented correctly and they translate well to a performant equivalent in Linux. This is why somethings are faster and other things are slower. This is also why it is strictly NOT emulation. So you are calling a moose a duck just because it can quack.

Yep. And, like, five people care about that distinction. Or fifteen. Hell, let's make it a couple of hundred. Ar we happy now? It's irrelevant!

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Man, this is like the The Witcher 2 argument all over again. My personal view is that whatever is under the hood is largely irrelevant, provided it performs reasonably. That's a vague term, and dependent on your hardware, sure, but "native" for me is nothing to do with wine, dxvk, togl, indirectx or whatever is doing the translation. It's whether the developer is willing to put a Linux logo on the store front.

As for Wine Is Not an Emulator? It amazes me people still care about this recursive "joke" and the distinction it implies. It runs Windows software in Linux, with a performance hit. Who cares if it's actually a re-implementation of the underlying windows system calls? As Alm888 notes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck... we may as well call it a duck. No-one who isn't a pretty hard-core Linux nerd will care about whatever that distinction means in real terms.

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Quoting: DribbleondoRead the system requirements for Linux for a good laugh.

That's brilliant! For those reluctant to go Steam clicking:

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Two years or longer - if a game is good, and suddenly gets Linux support, I'm likely to buy it. But it does annoy me that a publisher might then extrapolate lower Linux sales to "there's no market here". I mean, they're not idiots, I guess. They must know that there's no point in doing that. Surely??

But there's been so few truly AAA titles released with same-day Linux support, it must be hard to gauge the impact of Linux sales in any other way.

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A few picks from me:

Native

• Hellpoint is 30% off, which I'm quite tempted by.


• Eagle Island is 40% and I've had it on my wishlist for months. Now might be the time...


• Jupiter Hell has it's usual 20% discount. Liam raves about this and I enjoyed its free weekend, but I'm waiting for it to exit EA first as I really want to spend some time with it.


• It's getting mixed reviews, but I really like the look of A Long Way Down. It's giving off CardHunter meets Slay the Spire vibes. Only 25% off, but for a tenner, I think it might be worth the risk.


• Beautiful Desolation is now just a tenner with the 30% discount.


• Pine looks promising. And it's only just over £7.50 with the 60% discount.


• Finally, not a great discount, but I've been wondering if I should pick up The Long Gate. It just looks really intriguing. Only 15% discount though.

Proton

• Prey is platinum, and they've recently removed Denuvo, which was preventing me from buying it until now. At 80% off, only £4, I'm picking this up, finally.


• Quantum Break is only £7.50 with its 75% discount, but as it's only silver-rated, I'm probably going to give it a miss.

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What on earth causes that situation?? Why would they only release Win only on GOG when they support all three platforms on Steam?

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Quoting: jensThe dotnet4-something is fortunately no longer needed, the alternative wine-mono installer mentioned in the proton GitHub issue for ED(I don’t have the link at hand now) works much better.

I heard that, but haven't tried it yet. Apparently it doesn't let you login yet, but if you link your E:D account to Steam, you can use that button and it works. The most annoying part of the whole rigmarole is that you only need dotnet47 (or the new mono approach)... for the launcher! The game doesn't need it at all. So much pain, just so they can show a couple of adverts before the game launches. Infuriating.

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If you're on Discord, you can chat to Michael Cerquoni
about his experiences too - he's using a 5700XT, albeit in 2D. You can see his E:D video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1dGXlrSsg4&t=812s

My experience of E:D in VR is absolutely top-notch though. A perfect experience (outside of the cross-platform freezes I mentioned earlier). Smooth head tracking, high frame rates, no crashes.

I would say though - an absolute pain to set up. The donet47 install takes ages - nearly 45 minutes on my nearly top-of-the-range rig. But at least it's one command (assuming you have ProtonTricks installed) and then it "just works".

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