Quoting: TheRiddickStadia I'm pretty sure is using in house wrappers? their not getting devs to make their games for Linux, their just pushing them to make them work with something similar to proton behind the curtain. At least from my understanding.

This also explains the issues they've had with performance and 4k quality stuff (lots of downsampling to keep fps up)

Again you are misinformed, Google Stadia ports are native to Linux/Vulkan [External Link]. While I cannot comment on all ports to Stadia there has been a disparity in performance likely due to a lot of these games being a studio's first foray into Linux game development. Games are getting updated and improved all the time (Edit: The Crew 2 Grid 2 for example recently got updated with 4K support).

Just like with other platforms there are different priorities for different games. (Performance versus Visual Quality).

Some games are in fact 4K60, while others are 1080P60Fps/1440P30Fps (Upscaled to 4K - Red Dead), 1080P60Fps/1800P60Fps (Upscaled to 4K - Doom Eternal), or only 1080P60Fps in the case of Destiny 2.

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Quoting: DragunovI hope they make a Raspberry Pi 4 B+ with a 1.8ghz+ clock speed, 8gb Ram, USB Boot from the Factory, and get Hardware Acceleration 100% working. Then it will be a really great desktop PC.

Speaking from experience the RPI 4s can overclock to 2.0Ghz rather easily (provided you have the cooling capacity) though that does require editing a configuration file. I imagine once the USB boot firmware comes out of beta it'll be installed from the factory.

I use my RPI4 4GB as the ARM worker node in my mixed-architecture kubernetes cluster but would've gotten the 8GB model if it was available at launch.

• AMD Epyc 7252 (8C16T) + 64GB DDR4 (tainted master)
• AMD Ryzen Embedded R1505G (2C4T) + 16GB DDR4 - Snagged this DFI board [External Link] for $100 on eBay (Retails for 300+)
• RPI4 (4C) 4GB

The only node without an SSD is the PI as I'm waiting for a cheaper NVMe Hat solution and/or the USB-boot firmware to mature.

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Quoting: TheRiddickMore misleading and incorrect information...

Thanks for your very informative comment (Seriously doubt you read it all before instantly refuting, but whatever). Ciao. I'd love to hear what's misleading/incorrect about what I just said as it's mostly my personal opinion.

Oh but those games coming to Stadia? Those are very real and while I'd love to play them on desktop Linux via steam I'm not going to sit on the internet and fling names at people and just dismiss their opinion because it differs from mine.

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Quoting: TheRiddickYou did not pay for the game, its not yours, its googles, and they will revoke or limit it however the fck they want. If the developer or publisher decide to not have that game on their platform, poof, gone..

What I buy I can keep myself and run offline, I'm ok with that vs having stuff ripped out of my hands and told its not mine to use at any random point in time...

I have a feeling you stadia worshipers are going to be eating your own hats down the line, but lets watch and observe that happen in slow motion...

Single player offline games as a online only service is a TERRIBLE premise... (unless they are giving you the physical copy also)

I'm not worshipping Stadia/Google. Again, I'm on your side. I'd rather own the games on Steam and play them on Linux. Sometimes this isn't possible for games I want to play and that's a consequence of my choices (and developers/publishers not feeling Linux is a viable platform). Stadia is simply a tool that gives me access to games I otherwise wouldn't be able to play and happens to move Linux gaming forward as a side effect of existing.

In a short while Stadia has caused (to name a few):

• Id Software to port DOOM: Eternal to Linux/Vulkan (They even said they ported 2016 to Linux forever ago. Why isn't that or Eternal released on Steam for Linux I wonder)
• Bungie to port Destiny 2 to Linux/Vulkan
• GearBox to in-house port Borderlands 3 to Linux/Vulkan (Aspyr still hasn't updated BL2 for Linux)
• Rockstar to port Red Dead Redemption 2 to Linux/Vulkan
• 2K to port NBA 2K20 to Linux/Vulkan
• Ubisoft to port Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Ghost Recon, and the Division 2 to Linux/Vulkan
• EA to port Star Wars and Madden (and I suppose PGA Golf too, ...woo!) to Linux/Vulkan

Several of the world's largest game publishing companies/developers are now porting their games to Linux/Vulkan. It's now up to us/valve to prove that desktop Linux is just as viable but it's hard not to see this massive influx of Linux/vulkan development as a net positive for Linux gaming as a whole.

Regarding your other point it's hard to escape a license of some sort these days whether it be video streaming or software but again, that's up to you as an individual to decide what's best for you. I pay for Netflix yet rip Blu-rays/steams to host on my media server because I want to own the media (physical media is dead/dying and eWaste is an ever growing problem).

Hell even steam isn't free from this problem; One of my favorite series of all times is Fable. I own Fable III on steam (now removed for purchase) yet cannot play it without a Games for Windows Live crack as that service isn't online any more. Access to these games isn't a guaranteed thing.

I'd love to have the Linux-native copy of Red Dead Redemption on my SSD but I cannot. Thus, I use Stadia to play that game. That's all it boils down to at the end of the day.

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Quoting: TheRiddickSorry don't believe a word you say.
For starters its NOT new technology, companies have been doing this for years and even offered much better deals, then you have Geforce Now, the console streaming game apps. AND MANY OTHERS.

Also I SERIOUSLY don't trust google for so many well proven reasons I can't get into on here.

I never said it was new tech, licensing in the age of steaming is a new territory.

It's more of the perfect storm of the stars aligning where game streaming (and Linux gaming) is actually feasible. OnLive was ahead of its time as was SteamOS. If Vulkan was a thing when SteamOS was announced we'd all likely be gaming on our Steam machines. I don't trust Google as my email provider, I use and pay for ProtonMail. It's very easy to separate my personal life from a gaming service.

Quoting: TheRiddickBut ultimately IMO their service doesn't offer enough value to customers.
We will see how things go but I don't understand why PAYING for a copy of a game FOR GOOGLE TO USE somehow means you can't take that hard copy of the game home with you or download it in a way like Steam does and play on your physical computer in offline mode if need be.

That's fine, continue to pay hundreds to thousands of monetary units for physical hardware to play games. The appeal of Stadia is that you don't have to. A screen and an internet connection are all you need. There are games on steam you cannot play offline and the majority of popular games these days are multiplayer. It all depends on what you're interested in playing but chances are you cannot completely avoid some form of DRM. Everyone has their limits as to what is/is not acceptable to use.

I choose not to use Windows regardless of what games that excludes me from playing. Some people are the same way with DRM and others like myself will never have an Nvidia graphics card in my build for ethical/personal reasons. It's a matter of personal choice.

I will continue to build computers to run Linux locally but even I'm not blind to the appeal of instant access to a game I paid for...for free.

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Quoting: LinuxwarperMoreover PC gaming encompasses all major OSes. On Windows Stadia has made developers remove their games from Geforce Now.

This is pure conjecture. Nvidia themselves have admitted they needed to work out licensing with publishers. Streaming is a new territory.

Quoting: LinuxwarperWhy is this important? Well if Geforce Now was available on Linux, and it's possible it will be (with Valve's encouraging Nvidia), all those games being removed from the streaming service would have affected Linux users too. Geforce Now was launched 2015, Stadia 2019. In 2020 was when most publishers and developers started removing their games from Geforce Now.

I don't use Windows nor do I want to rent a Windows machine in the cloud just to play a game. GeforceNow is NOT Linux gaming even if it can be accessed via Linux (which atm, it cannot). How does buying a game on steam via GeforceNow benefit Linux gaming at all? Sure, you may eventually be able to access GFN on Linux but a game purchased there will still count as a Windows sale.

Quoting: LinuxwarperStadia games being released natively for Linux would work against Stadia. Google wants people to stream their games with Stadia, not play them locally. You could be lenient on Google and say Valve isn't encouraging developers to release their games on Linux, so Google should be in the clear, except Valve has released their games natively for Linux and are making big contributions to the platform.

Metro Exodus is coming to desktop Linux. Discounting any exclusivity deals with google it's up to the developers/publishers. I'd argue that Epic store exclusive games for games/series (Metro) that would have otherwise come to steam/desktop Linux is more harmful to our goal (of Linux gaming). Google is one of the biggest contributors to the Linux kernel/open source in general. While not 100% gaming related, they still do contribute to the platform.

I'd rather support companies that take the time/effort to port a game to Linux/vulkan than scream "hey look at me!" when I buy a windows game that's otherwise unsupported to play via proton. (A supported effort is a different story as stated).

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Quoting: t3gAlright then. I still don't know why you are white knighting for Google.

Quoting: TheRiddickPretty sure he/she works for Google Stadia somehow. I mean look at the icon tag, lol

Not white knighting, nor do I work for Google. It's simply an exciting piece of technology using my favorite piece of technology: Linux. Let's face it, Google made Linux attractive to AAA game developers in a way Valve failed to do after how many years now? The Witcher 3 was coming to SteamOS...and then it wasn't. Cyberpunk 2077 on the other hand is coming to Stadia. My "annoyance" with your comment is more so due to Liam constantly receiving comments such as yours regarding what he should/should not cover on his site. Plenty of people here are interested in Stadia.

The recent advances in Linux/Vulkan tech have paved the way for a "SteamOS v2" type solution from Valve and you can sure as hell bet I'd jump all over that if/when it comes. I want Linux gaming to succeed and will support it in anyway I can. We're on the same side.

Quoting: TheRiddickUnlock what higher resolutions? above 1080P?

"free games?" you mean those games you paid for beforehand, the pro unlocked games you don't get to play for free after the pro subscription is lost afaik.

Stadia is far from failing. And yes, a Pro subscription currently allows you to play at 4K or 1440P. Correct, if you stop paying for Stadia Pro you'd lose access to all claimed Pro games (if you resubscribe all previously claimed games are available). I would not lose access to the games I've outright purchased.

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Quoting: TheRiddickAlso the whole concept of how it works is pretty bad, you pay full price for the game you can't take home, then you must pay to USE the service on top...

Your concept of how it works is misinformed. You do NOT have to pay to use Stadia, it's free. You CAN pay for a Pro subscription to unlock higher resolutions and "free" monthly games, but that's optional.

If I quit my Pro membership today I'd still be able to play Doom and RDR2 on Stadia free of charge, at 1080P resolution.

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Quoting: t3g

Then turn them off in the control panel? Bye Felicia.



Here's my thoughts on why I use Stadia. Stadia is Linux and DOES help Linux gaming. It's up to developers/publishers to bring their games to desktop Linux.

If DOOM Eternal was on Linux, I would have bought it on steam. If RDR2 was on Linux, I would have bought it on steam. But they're not and I'm not about to rent a Windows machine in the cloud just to play the games I want to play but cannot on Linux (DOOM Eternal on proton could break after any update, as already proven).

Native Linux Release > Supported Proton Release > Stadia > Unsupported/Non-legal tweaks

I will buy Metro Exodus on steam...once it comes to Linux.

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Quoting: PatolaWINEDLLOVERRIDES

Clearly I haven't had enough coffee this morning. Initially I read this as Wined Lover Rides...

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