Quoting: DrMcCoyOld?!? KotOR isn't old! It uses 3D graphics!

Now get off my lawn, you young whippersnapper!

Yeah, damn kids... :P

Personally I would be more interested in some of their older titles than most of the new ones, although I doubt we will ever see an Aspyr release outside of Steam.

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Could be useful for our HTPC, even though I have no interest in ever gaming on it. It really does depend on the price of the thing though.

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Quoting: CFWhitmanI think that loggfreak's point was that the anonymous poster actually said "prop drivers," and, while it is understandable that you would read that as 'proper drivers,' he thinks the poster meant 'proprietary drivers.' Personally, my initial tendency was to read it as 'proper,' but then I thought twice, and it's quite possible that loggfreak's impression is accurate.

Okay, that may be true. Maybe I am being that aloof. :|

Another lesson in the folly of abbreviation.

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Quoting: loggfreakif a cardd is from 2008, and it's 2014, doesn't that make it 6 years of service?
or did you mean it was released in 2008, and you bought it in 2010?

I never buy graphics cards unless they are used. Retail is too dodgy and expensive in my experience.

Quoting: FutureSutureHI am pretty sure he meant Nvidia's proprietary driver, although I most certainly do not disagree with you.

I knew which driver he was referring to specifically, I was asking for his definition of what constitutes "proper drivers" as that was the point I was debating. I am not that aloof. :whistle:

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Quoting: AnonymousAll that graph really shows is that although it's better than it was, it's still complete rubbish compared to nvidia on linux with prop drivers.

Define your "proper drivers". A real argument could be made that the only "proper drivers" on Linux are those that actually rely on the "proper" Linux graphics stack, therefore making all binary blobs painful kludges that weld on a huge chunk of Windows in an effort to try and cut down on "proper" engineering time and in the end results in less "proper" system integration and less "proper" code access. "Proper" can be a difficult adjective.

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I hope they are not throwing developers - they might get their necks broken. :P

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Just did some unscientific testing by playing a little Doom 3, Brütal Legend, Amnesia, and Trine 2 and did not see any huge differences; Doom 3 and Trine 2 might have been a little more responsive, but as it was being done just by feel my impressions do not account for much.

I have been keeping my eye out for a new card, but unless I spy a bargain I am perfectly content to stay with my current one for the moment.

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I suppose these improvements are mostly limited to radeonsi and not r600g?

Not that I am complaining mind; it is getting to the point with my Radeon HD 4670 that it is the hardware and not the driver performance that is slowing me down on some newer titles. The card is from 2008 after all, and has already given me almost four years solid service.

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All of this talk of what would happen if Steam Machines fail reminds me of a conversation my mother had with her mother about what she would have done if the Cuban Missile Crisis had turned out differently and resulted in a nuclear war and socioeconomic collapse. My grandmother commented that they would just go back to how they lived during the Great Depression, something which at the time was easily in living memory.

The main advantage we have now as compared to the Loki Linux gaming boom is that we have a much more diverse ecosystem now than we did then - we are not dependant on a single vendor or a single distributor, despite the rush by some to put all of their eggs in Valve's basket. For me the turn-around for Linux gaming again really was in 2010 with the arrival of the Humble Indie Bundle and the initial flood of independent interest; indeed, I have been playing an almost continual catch up with my ever growing gaming library since at least 2011, long before Valve arrived.

For this reason I myself am not overly concerned by any of this, as I have tapped myself into a stronger diverse well not tied as heavily into consumer trends and myopic AAA interest. It just goes to show that we do need to remember where we came from, and that there still is a need to be ready to fallback to old stalwarts if/when things do go wrong.

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Looks very much like Shadowgrounds only more strictly top-down and less isometric.

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