Quoting: AnzaSo if any European country has been doing something bad by doing or not doing something, none of the countries in Europe shouldn't be sending guns? Or was it that guns should be sent only when the victory is guaranteed already?

You're creating connections that I never imply nor say in my answers. My point against guns supply is that Ukraine is lost and they will end up creating more harm that help. The only way to avoid the fall is that NATO directly involves, but that will not happen.

The best it can be done right now is to help as much as possible with the escape of all the families affected by this stupid war. Oh, and it would also be neat that we start giving this same repercussion all future stupid military operations that any other Western or Eastern country starts. Europe bypassed a lot of rules in the past that lead to allow Putin do this shit, something must be learn from this and political changes must be done so we reduce the chances of this type of conflict all around the globe (maybe put UN to an actual use would be neat).

Quoting: AnzaSo Russian army who thinks they're fighting Nazis should be let to invade Ukraine while international community still tries to find sanctions that actually have an effect? Army that's shooting at nuclear plants and bombing civilians?

Sanctions will have an effect, that's for sure, but that effect requires time (just like it will take a lot of time to reduce EU energy dependency from Russia).

Putin was able to improve Russia military position but his economy is still weak and he can try all what he wants, but Russia needs Western more than what he believes. So yeah, you can be impulsive and go to an open war that destroys the humanity or simply be patient and get Putin to a dead end where he will have to negotiate an exit. IMO, the latter is our only chance.

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Quoting: GuestClaiming 'we' force them to fight by giving them those weapons isn't even cynical anymore. What I'd call it I won't write, to make Moderator's life easier...

Did I said that?

If Europeans should feel guilty is that in the recent past you did the same that Russia is doing (not in Europe, granted) nor didn't move a finger when similar stuff was happening in other places of the world. The only reason why you care about Ukraine is not because you feel attached to the population, but because the conflict is at the doors of Europe. But of course (and before pro-Russia users get exited) this still doesn't justify the military actions in Ukraine, Georgia or any other country were you got involved in a "liberation" war.

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Quoting: AnzaIndeed. Being pacifist is nice and all, but fighting against Russian invasion at the moment is much better alternative. It's Russia that's forcing people to fight war people don't want to fight.

Without giving weapons there's soon no need to evacuate. If we go to back to glory days of Soviet Union, borders will be closed and nobody is allowed to leave the country.

This is not about being pacifist but being rational. A lot of people aren't willing to fight, why force them? Maybe for some people a piece of land is worth their life, but for many other the life of a son or having your father alive worth's way more.

You need to get some perspective on this conflict. Ukraine doesn't have a chance to win unless western super powers get directly involved, but that will not happen for obvious reasons. So, the only valid strategy against Russia is to use their weakness and right now that weakness is economic. The best we can do is to save as many lives we can.

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Quoting: slapinUkraine needs weapons and support, not trash talk from cheap cowards.

Do whatever you want with your life, but do not force people to fight when they have other priorities.

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Quoting: elistoa life is equal to a another life, war is hell they are no "good guys" in this, I'm tired of the total hypocrisy of the "West".

The fact that other countries are hypocrite doesn't remove the blame on who is the aggressor here. I mean, I'm almost sure that the "East" condemned "West" in all the other "interventions" you mentioned (not to mention that both Syria and Afghanistan had "interventions" from both sides). "East" and "West" work the same way, maybe is time that both remove their masks, look directly to the eyes and create rules in order to avoid all this war shit show.

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Quoting: slapinI disagree, helping Ukraine stand now will save both Ukraine and Russia. Losing Ukraine will end up as long standing
problem for both Europe and world. Also China will benefit from everything.

It all depends on what you refer as "helping". Helping to evacuate is one thing, giving more guns and forcing people to fight a war they don't want to is another.

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Quoting: johndoeNo, I think this is the right thing to do.
Stop everything (beside internet access) with russia as possible. All russian people should start to demonstrate against Putin and force him to resign.

I will just say: don't feed a hate for Russian people. Not everyone of them are guilty of what Putin is doing, and saying "do something" is easy to be say than to be done in the current Russian context.

IMO, the only valid strategy against Putin and anyone that supports their invasion is to keep adding macro economic sanctions. Giving weapons and sending fighters to the Ukrainian theater of war is probably a bad idea.

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Quoting: areamanplaysgameI think you are talking about two different groups of people, honestly. "Ordinary people" do not buy consumer electronics and then try to replace the operating system on them.

Well… Maybe you are right.
But! We are not talking about ordinary "ordinary people" here. Steam Deck will not be sold at brick&mortar stores. It must be pre-ordered through a dedicated gaming store. People on Steam (provided they know how to make a pre-order) are more than likely to tinker: install mods, stream on TVitch/YouTube, make benchmarks. You know, typical (glorious) PC gamer (master race) stuff. It would not be fair to treat them as "console players" who are more accustomed to "power-on & play" behavior. So, when they find out Valorant (for example) does not launch… What will they do?

Quoting: areamanplaysgameMost people I bet will not bother installing Windows on it. Only tech nerds will care. Your typical console player certainly won't.

What should they do, then? Cancel their purchase, demand refunds and send their new handheld PC back to Valve?
I think at least some people will make attempts to "negotiate" their new devices before giving up. And I think they at least deserve to know what perils await them should they try to circumvent the problem by using Windows.

Quoting: areamanplaysgameBut as Liam pointed out, drivers aren't ready yet. This is custom stuff made by Valve/AMD from what I understand of it. So while it's a x86_64 setup, it has custom GPU, not to mention all the custom control inputs.

Well, yeah. I figured as much. But will those drivers be ready by the time first owners get their devices? Will said owners be able to easily find those drivers? Will those drivers be included in the box on a mini CD (like the good old times) or flash drive? :P

Plus, I'm honestly curious about performance loss of the SteamOS against Windows (provided I do not even have a Steam account and have forgotten already the last time I've used WINE for gaming).

Well, it is Liam's choice not to test Windows games in their native ecosystem; I believe some reviewers will do such tests eventually.

Quoting: LoftyValve & the community need to put emphasis on how tailored Steam OS 3.0 is for the Steam Deck so people don't think it is just a binary choice of one OS over the other.

Yes. But Valve also needs not to alienate potential (still Windows-using) customers preemptively. And people really do not like to be put in stressful situations. In this case, knowledge that in case something goes wrong there is a "Plan B" (installing Windows) as a fallback will assure gamers of the purchase safety.

How in the name of hell are all this questions relevant to the current article? If you just want to see how far is the performance of Proton to Windows you can simply go to Phoronix and check Michael benchs (or wait for LTT benchs).

IMO, you're splitting hairs here. I get it, you didn't like the reaction of the community to the GOG response on Steam Deck, but coming with irrelevant questions won't give a bad look to Valve at this point.

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Quoting: Alm888GOG does not want to profit from Steam Deck. It wants to topple it. At the very least, a Steam Deck is another platform, adding a headache to GOG's "tech support" (imagine what troubles will arise when the support will be flooded with numerous "Deck+Windows" GOG users' support requests due to issues with controllers for DOSBox-wrapped games). And at the worst case scenario, Steam Deck will divert users from GOG towards Steam. So, the quicker Steam Deck flops the better (for GOG).

If GOG doesn't care about Deck they could have just said: "we don't support it, just like we don't support [insert any other console name]". You're making a lot of assumptions in order to justify a shitty answer when the most simple answer is that they don't give a fuck about the Linux support anymore.

So, let's stop playing the fanboy's here while trying to bury your head in the sand. GOG is an utterly POS store for Linux users, the only value you can get is the "DRM Free" promise they make. Take it for what it is, don't waste keyboard with a fantasy tale of their market strategy.

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Quoting: kit89It's good to see games being updated to work better on the Steam Deck. Though many of these games work on top of Proton if the Deck garners a large enough gathering future games may become native.

We can only hope!

Or it can help with Vulkan adoption. Many games may think twice before committing to DX12 if there is a big enough market that will get performance benefits from that decision.

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