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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: liamdaweApparently the Linux bug wasn't as easy to solve as they thought. Might be waiting a while.

Which just showcases that probably absolutely nobody tested this game on linux prior to release.
Absurd, really. If you cannot test a build at all before release, don't release it yet...

I had enough bugs hunting me for months that work perfectly fine on my testing platform, but yet in production it seemed to creep up. It was very hard to find, I had to plough through megabytes of straces that I obtained through wonky uplinks.

No amount of unit testing or stress testing would have revealed that bug. And in my case I had complete control over platform and kernels. There were no hidden gotchas.

Now expand that to numerous of different linux platforms, filesystems, kernels, drivers, libraries.

That is nothing but apologism.
If you control both platform and kernel, then the problem can obviously not lie in either.

Which is the exact opposite of their problem, which was that NOBODY (at least I haven't read a single report of anyone who did NOT have the bug) on linux (or at least its most used distro) was able to get save games working.
That the fix is already out after barely 24 hours shows that this was a simple to solve bug, supporting my point even more.

A single person using a recent Ubuntu (and not a VM) testing the game would have been enough. Nothing fell through any "cracks" in the testing environment, except if you consider not having a recent Ubuntu setup a "crack".

I'm a programmer myself, and I think you do us an extreme disservice by trying to sugarcoat incompetence and put it all on the testers. After all, you can't blame the testers if nobody told them to test on linux.
This bug could have been found by any developer who tested his own build appropriately.

My guess? They used a build server to cover the linux build, fixing only bugs that caused a build failure and rarely or never actually ran the linux version.

I'd say it's all good now, but there are still so many bugs left and the game seems to be plagued with absurd difficulty scaling (level 2 parties facing enemies with 40AC and nonsense like that)... it's such a shame, really. Once patched properly, the game must be really good. But I don't think that will happen before the end of October - and by then they'll be lucky if the ratings don't drop below 60%.

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The save game issues are supposedly fixed now, though the others probably persist.

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Quoting: liamdaweApparently the Linux bug wasn't as easy to solve as they thought. Might be waiting a while.

Which just showcases that probably absolutely nobody tested this game on linux prior to release.
Absurd, really. If you cannot test a build at all before release, don't release it yet...

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Yeah, a bit silly to release a game in such a state. If you offer a Linux build, you gotta test it before release, too...

Well, I'll download the game and then wait a week or so for it to become playable.

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Oof... Can't they just join forces with Lutris and produce something that actually works?

PlayOnLinux hasn't worked well for me in years since it is so outdated in actual game scripts.
Lutris doesn't even manage to install Steam Wine correctly, so that it freezes at startup due to the script somehow messing up the 32/64bit versions.

I was kinda hoping POL would go the way of the dodo and more people would join the Lutris project, since that does seem way more promising (partly due to NOT being limited to linux).

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Quoting: TheRiddickIs the video sped up? seems like things are happening quite fast.

Indeed seems that way, at least partly.
Might of course just be some problem in the video editing.

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Just accept people as they are. Being different than you doesn't mean they need to be locked up and shock-treated until they become like everyone else. Humans are not bee drones.

The problem with such a display of obvious transphobia and hate-speech: you only give SJWs more ammunition.
And maybe worse, you undermine the validity of the concerns about CoCs like that by being a total ass.
In a way, you are doing exactly what most SJWs do, just from the other side.

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Quoting: scaineAnd people should have the opportunity to address despicable behaviour in those contributing to the kernel.

Ah, but who gets to determine what is despicable, an entirely subjective word?
At the moment, it might be just things that "make sense", no homophobic/racist/sexist/etc. shit. From there, it is just a very, VERY small step to arbitrary additions.
Oh, so you vote Republicans? Interesting... Ah, you say you didn't participate on that demo against firing this black woman from her post? That's not good. What, really, you were not willing to give your spare kidney to this man you don't know? How despicable. You called someone an idiot because he did something easy wrong five times in a row? You are too mean.

You can go on with this endlessly, and you are naive if you think that this is not the first step in a very wrong direction. Oh, I called you naive (because I think you are) - you can already get banned on a few forums for words like these.
Thought police, here we come.

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: DolusAddress this: https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504 [External Link]

So Sharp is stirring up controversy over Tso and here you are stirring up controversy over Sharp.

No, Sharp is very obviously trying to get someone fired/removed from a team. For disagreeing with the "correct" view. Which group or movement if famous for this behavior again?

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Quoting: qptain Nemo

Quoting: scaineEVERYTHING is political.

I'm sorry but that is an insidious falsehood. It's entirely possible to live and do things, be kind to others in particular, without political thought.

Wrong. Even by not being political, you support a status quo, which is a political act in itself, by intention or not (intention is irrelevant, only action counts).

Quoting: scaine"SJW people are like cancer". You think that people who want inclusiveness and respect... are like cancer. I can't respond to that.

If only that really was what SJW were actually about, most people wouldn't mind. As many political movements, it may have started out "pure" and with good intentions, and a few good-hearted souls might still believe in that.
But by now it has turned into this blindly frothing lynch mob trying to get everyone fired/doxxed/banned for disagreeing with their views.
And don't get me started on sexism/homophobic/transphobic/racism/etc. cards which can be played at will and always call the crusade right to someone's door, no matter how far fetched.

Just look at the whole absurd Jessica Price thing or the "debate" about not including black/queer/etc. people in a historical depiction of 13th century rural Czech Republic... that is what SJWs are to me, overzealous.

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Quoting: einherjarI fully understand him. The CoC is made by the person saying that:

I can’t wait for the mass exodus from Linux now that it’s been infiltrated by SJWs. Hahahah

after the CoC was taken to the Linux kernel.

Source [External Link]

Sure, this is a violation of the CoC (welcoming language). But doesn`t matter, it was one of the good(TM) people. And perhaps she/it/*? will never contribute code to linux kernel. So it`s ok?
I think these SJW people are like cancer. They don't behave like people, who want to make the world a better place. I have the feeling, its more like STASI.
Be welcoming to everyone sounds good. But it seems to mean, "for everyone the SJWs don`t dislike"... and the CoC is the ammo they need against people they dislike.

Very sad

This unfortunately sounds rather true.
The author of the whole thing is also against meritocracy, which has been the driving force behind a lot of development and is simply a well working system within and outside of open-source development.

This sums it up rather nicely:
https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ [External Link]

As nice as this code of conduct sounds at first, it can and I am certain it will be used against contributors due to how incredibly vague it is.
This is definitely a blow to every open-source project it is applied to, I just hope it won't turn out to be too much of a blow.

On the other hand, it is true that much of the linux community hasn't exactly been known to be the most welcoming environment. This CoC is supposed to change that, but I have my doubts.

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