Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: TheSHEEEPI really don't get this.

Why would you replay a game that doesn't even offer replayability?

And how about "Why would you reread a book that doesn't even offer rereadability?" :P

No book does, which is why it seems so strange to me to do that.

Quoting: Alm888Different people have different tastes. You do not need to "get" their reasoning on this, just take for granted some actually enjoy replay the games of youth.

Oh, I certainly don't need to, but what exactly is the harm in trying to understand?

I always find it a bit lazy if people cannot even explain why they do or not enjoy something.
I was able to explain why I find no enjoyment in replaying most games - so it really doesn't seem far off to me that someone should be able to explain why they do.

And thankfully, some actually tried to explain:

Quoting: hummer010I do this all the time. I've read Lord of the Rings at least a dozen times. And I do it for the same reason I replay games.

I'm not very patient. When I read a book, or play a video game, I always start out planning to experience it all. Inevitably, I get impatient, I skim what I'm reading. I ignore side quests or speed through things. I get to the point where I'm speeding to the end.

Then, I play / read it again, and pick up more of what I missed the first time around. And again. And if I really like it, again and again and again.

I can get the reasoning behind this to some extent.
If you missed something due to rushing to the end (or forgetting, the human brain certainly is a sieve), then next time you'd maybe rush through the beginning but get the end. But only if it was an enjoyable experience to begin with. Makes sense.
And if you are a completionist of the Nth order, you'd probably do it again and again and again until you really saw every placed plant.

When I skip something in a game or some other media, I usually realize that it is because that content wasn't enjoyable to me to begin with. I am usually not impatient about finishing games, though.

Quoting: HamishEven if this were true, and there really was nothing you might have missed, someone spent days, weeks, months, or even years building that world for you, and for me that craftsmanship can still be worth revisiting.

Hold your horses. Your due to the creators/authors/whatever was paid the moment you laid cash on the table. You do not own the creator of any media anything more than that.

However, I do get the reasoning behind simply revisiting something you already know just to appreciate the craftmanship. It's not something I would do if there is instead something new to discover (and considering the speed games come out, there usually is), but I can understand that.

See? I already learned two new things about my fellow human beings!

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: TheSHEEEPI'm not trying to offend anyone (for once ;) ), I am just

bragging.

Nothing wrong with that, as long as you do have something to brag about and do it in moderation.
However, I don't see how I was bragging in this case.

Bragging that I don't see the point in replaying most games? Huh?

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I will start using itch.io once they finally add tag filtering.
It is basically impossible to browse games on itch.io other than by browsing specific genres. The "top sellers" or "popular" tags are just filled to the brim with Visual Novels (which I don't like) and ... well... stuff that looks like it came from a games jam...
As soon as the store adds a way for me to easily add certain tags to a globally applied blacklist, I'd be happy to use it more. And there are already issues for this on Github - since months, however, and not resolved yet.

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Quoting: razing32That tornado in the trailer seemed to be homing in on the houses. :huh:

God has reached lvl 2 and unlocked the "homing" disaster branch.

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Quoting: Hamish

Quoting: TheSHEEEPLet's be honest, over 90% of games you play exactly once, what good does it do you to own those after that? Nothing.

Not really, no. Almost every game I have ever played in my life I have come back to play again at some point later on. And for those few that I have not, I still very much value having the option to do so. I have never understood how people can find media to be a disposable as they do. Yes, I do find myself going back to old favourites way more often than I end up trying something new, but because of that I end up getting way more value out of the games and media that I do choose to engage with. Gaming for me is not about having one night stands.

I really don't get this.

Why would you replay a game that doesn't even offer replayability?
If you know the story, you know everything that will be coming, there will be nothing surprising or interesting.
If you have beaten the game, there will not be any new challenges to put yourself against.
If you have seen the world of the game, there will be nothing new to see.
Or, I don't know, maybe my memory is just better?

To me, replaying a game despite it not offering anything new would be like visiting the same holiday location every year.
Or reading the same book dozens of times.
What's the point? What new knowledge or skill is being gained?
I'm not trying to offend anyone (for once ;) ), I am just really irritated.
I play games to discover new worlds, new gameplays, improve my knowledge and my skills.

I'm like Captain Picard, discovering new worlds, expanding boundaries. I would wither inside if I was visiting the same planet every time like a freighter captain.

Obviously, there are games offering more replayability value, some you can go to almost endlessly (like EUIV, Mount & Blade, ToME4, etc.) but most really don't.
Or so little that it is barely worth another playthrough (like Pillars of Eternity - I can see trying out more than one character class, but certainly not all of them as the rest of the game will be identical).

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I'm a bit confused.
Are there any people? Or just empty buildings in a landscape?

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Quoting: sbolokanov

Quoting: TheSHEEEPYeah, I also don't get the problems people have with Steam.
"You need to have Steam open and running to play the games!" - So I open Steam and run the game. No problem here. In addition to an inbuilt chat, I also get an inbuilt browser, community, workshop... all of which is optional, of course.

You fail to see the technical side of things. Like the requirement to have 32bit, just to play your 64bit games.
And I know you have nothing against that. No need to tell me.

You mean having a few libraries available in 32bit to run Steam? The horror!
The other way around might be problematic for a few people with ancient rigs, but certainly not this.
Sorry, I have an actual life and simply can't be bothered by trivial nonsense like that.

Besides, it would be silly to assume Steam won't upgrade to 64bit eventually.

Quoting: sbolokanovTime and again, I've seen sheepies do unreasonable stuff only on the will of the shepherd.
when they have realised what had happend, they would probably swear the shepherd if they could.
But what does it matter? In the end we ate The sheep.

A whole paragraph comitted to my nick.
Never seen that before.
So creative.
You should write a book. And fewer forum posts.

Quoting: sbolokanovBy the way, you all have forgotten that you could actually play all this games on Windows… to begin with.
I see no one condemning, all the demand to get game X on GNU/Linux.

That's true. And I do.
At least those games that do not run natively or via Wine. Thankfully, both Windows and linux boot so fast by now, switching isn't really much of a loss any more.

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Quoting: johndoeI personally think it's a waste of time and resources to collect games for longer than "a long time lease".

Yeah, I also don't get the problems people have with Steam.
"You need to have Steam open and running to play the games!" - So I open Steam and run the game. No problem here. In addition to an inbuilt chat, I also get an inbuilt browser, community, workshop... all of which is optional, of course.

"You will lose all your games if Steam dies!" - So I will purchase them again somewhere else, I'm not living on fumes, I can do that for the <5% of games I actually have an interest in playing again. Let's be honest, over 90% of games you play exactly once, what good does it do you to own those after that? Nothing.

"Steam spies on you!" - :rolleyes: :tinfoilhat:

"You need to be online to play your Steam games!" - Uhm... no?

"I don't like Steam simply because they are so big!" - Oh, hey, at least someone's being honest.

"Steam takes a too big share of developer profits!" - I fully agree, but so does GOG and pretty much everyone else except itch.io.

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: Hamish

Quoting: elmapul"Not everyone is going to be both as patient and anal as I am. "
not everyone has time.

Sure, but since we are talking about playing games here, having free time is already something of a given.

Not that I have wasted that many hours of my life getting a game to work with WINE. As long as the game starts at all it is usually fairly trivial to get it up and running in my experience. Especially since as I have already mentioned many of the games I use WINE for will no longer play nice even on a modern Windows system.

i rather spend 2 hours playing, than 1 hour 55 minutes trying to make the game work, and 5 minutes playing it.

(assuming that i only have 2 hours after the work, trafit, studying and so on)

But that's not how long it takes.
If a game doesn't run with wine from the get-go, it won't run. In some rare cases, you can install a few libs using winetricks to resolve an issue, but that't it.
You spend 10 minutes at max on that. And then it either works forever (so those 10 minutes are unique), or doesn't.

My Wine prefix has all the usual dlls needed installed and I just need to run Steam via wine, install a game and play it - and it will either work or won't, but I won't lose much time either way.

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Quoting: Hamish

Quoting: TheSHEEEPBut "just works" is a necessity if Linux is to attract more gamers. The vast majority don't have the skillset or patience like you or me (or many others here) to fiddle around with anything. Hell, for some, having to install Wine to install their game is already too much.

In my case a great deal of the games I play through WINE no longer "just work" on modern Windows anymore. There is a real opportunity for WINE to corner the retro PC gaming market as for many older Windows games it is now easier to mess around with WINE than to try and get them running on Windows 10. It is for this reason that I have really started to warm up to WINE over the past few years.

Absolutely! Wine has great potential.
It would just need someone in the role of a producer and/or manager - and not only developers.
However, people truly managing open source projects are even harder to come by than coders.

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