Quoting: Eike

Quoting: TheSHEEEPBut: What I say is that there is a difference between hypocrites (people who say A and do B) and do-gooders (people who say A, do A, claim that A is good, but A is actually a bad thing once you think about it more deeply).

So, a try-do-gooder?

Kinda, if you want. It's kind of a mouthful, though...
Edited my post with an example.

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Quoting: jens

Quoting: Doc AngeloI really think "Scheingutmensch" in German and something like "pseu-do-gooder" would be more fitting and not as misleading.

I would go for "hypocrite", or in German "scheinheilig".

That is a hypocrite, yes.
But: What I say is that there is a difference between hypocrites (people who say A and do B) and do-gooders (people who say A, do A, claim that A is good, but A is actually a bad thing once you think about it more deeply).
I can only point at my own example a page ago.

For example, if I started proclaiming that everyone should start defending the poor and downtrodden Panterra people (imaginary name), I would be a hypocrite.
Because I do not truly believe in that, but know that people like it when someone proclaims that.

If I actually did go out of my way to defend the poor and downtrodden Panterra people, and believe I am doing good, I would be a do-gooder.
Because that would only lead to the Panterra people never learning to defend themselves and always require someone to do it for them, it would actually be a bad result.

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Quoting: EikeI'm a proud do-gooder/Gutmensch. I hope.

Yeah, I think most of us figured that out by now :D

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Quoting: tuubiHowever, it's a fair bet that a person who enjoys conflict and being a dick towards strangers turns out to be a self-centered bastard

The problem here to me seems to be that just being honest and speaking some uncomfortable truths is already enough for many to consider someone a dick.

Quoting: tuubiBlindly dividing people you don't know into "do-gooders" and "actually good people" is just plain counterproductive.

Right, but I don't think I did that? Or someone else?
My very first post wasn't about me thinking that everyone who is offended at this game must be a do-gooder. Just the knowledge that some of them are, makes it all the sweeter.

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Quoting: wvstolzing

Quoting: tuubiI can be a dick, but (hopefully) only to people who know my twisted sense of humour and take it as a joke.

The guy in this video, on the other hand, is a dick indiscriminately:

'People think that I'm this do-gooder; they don't realize that I do it because it's fun' [External Link]

Aye, he is!
And he has done more for people than a hundred do-gooders combined.
Being nice is not a requirement for doing good. Even wanting to do good isn't.
I don't have the recipe for how your actions end up causing a positive result, either, but I am fairly sure it is independent from your intrinsic motivation.

In the end, it only matters what you do, not why you do it.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: TheSHEEEPI always love offensive games like that for the sweet butthurt they cause in all the hypocrites and do-gooders [External Link].

I've noticed that it's currently considered much more of a social faux pas to be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

So did I.
A good development, for once.
I'd much rather have more people that are unfriendly and appear dickish, but are honest, than those who "mean well" but only cause more harm.

Yes, you should always strive to hurt people because trying to do good is bound to result in something worse.

There is a difference between between doing good and being a do-gooder as I described them. Yes, the words, I know... don't blame me, blame the English language.

An example:
A guy who is always extra nice to people, never makes them aware of their mistakes because he doesn't want to hurt them, avoids confrontation, gives money to help the poor children in Africa, finds everything "super great!" and gives compliments freely.
On first glance, he appears good.

But nothing he does really helps anyone who needs it.
Always being extra nice just makes him appear to be sleazy and hiding some agenda after a while.
Never correcting people's mistakes only strengthens their belief they did nothing wrong. Better to hurt them a little (in the sense that own mistakes being brought to one's attention is never a good feeling), but also giving them a chance to improve themselves.
Avoiding confrontation only leads to people being overwhelmed when a confrontation finally does happen, as they never had to deal with it before.
Giving money to African charities only ends up cementing their shitty situation, as it keeps them in a "barely tolerable" state instead of an "intolerable" one that would eventually cause an improvement from the inside. Imagine what would have happened if aristocrats had given the French people just enough food and clothing to get by instead of nothing? French revolution would never have happened.
Finding everything great and showering people with compliments only makes them numb to compliments, or even worse, expecting them after every little thing.

No... Only he himself is being helped, as all of that stuff makes him feel better about himself.
That is what I call a textbook do-gooder and that is what I try to unmask whenever I can.

Quoting: tuubiIf you actually believe that, you should start writing scripts for Hollywood my friend.

1. I hope my clarification shows what I meant and yes, that is what I believe.

2. I am not your friend and your condescendence is not required to get your point across. You can go on, though. In contrast to others, I am not so easily offended ;)

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: TheSHEEEPI always love offensive games like that for the sweet butthurt they cause in all the hypocrites and do-gooders [External Link].

I've noticed that it's currently considered much more of a social faux pas to be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

So did I.
A good development, for once.
I'd much rather have more people that are unfriendly and appear dickish, but are honest, than those who "mean well" but only cause more harm.

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I always love offensive games like that for the sweet butthurt they cause in all the hypocrites and do-gooders [External Link].
The sideshows and comments are almost worth more than the game.

But ultimately a game has to be judged by its gameplay.
And this one I could see working as a multiplayer game, maybe co-op - or even PvP like Rust.
But single player only? And not even with a story (I could see this work as a Postal 2-like game)? Hmm...

Funny enough, there is a Bum simulator multiplayer game (not on Linux, yet, but they plan to implement Vulkan later on, if the game does well enough):
Hobo: Tough Life [External Link]
I have seen some streamers (was is BananaDuck? Possibly...) play the beta and that was very, very, very rough.
Basically a survival game with some funny gameplay elements (bin diving was some sort of minesweeper-like thing where skills had an actual influence).

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Quoting: FeistNot a big fan of this type of game but I bought it anyway. I used to love their movies when I was a kid and if Netflix bought the rights, then I would stock up on tons of Beer, beans and hotdogs and have myself a whole weekend movie-marathon. :D

They are available on Amazon Prime. At least on the German one (no idea about the other, but I guess there, too as Amazon is quite international).
I even got myself a VPN to watch it from my location.

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Not knowing Bug Spencer & Terrence Hill movies?!
Whoa... huge nerd cred nosedive.

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