Quoting: Deleted_UserFact is, that the "accurate history Total War" community haven't got a proper game since years. Warhammer aside, both 3 Kingdoms and Troy are fantasy adaptions in some way - so i think it would be fair to get a "pure historical" TW.

Yes.
Because that community is too small for CA to focus on.
3K had a historical mode, and other than the "super generals" the normal mode was as historical as you can get with that period. Even the more strange units (like some artillery) actually existed, albeit maybe more as prototypes than actual battlefield use.
Anyway, it didn't do well, and boy did they drop that one like a hot potato.

Troy was a historical (well, mostly) game before they added the mythical creatures.
It didn't do well (EGS cash paid for that game).
Attila was historical.
It didn't do well.
Thrones Of Brittannia?
Didn't do well.
Rome Remastered?
Didn't do well - although I'm certain they invested A LOT less resources into it than into any of the Warhammer ones. Hard to say if this one flopped (judging by review & player numbers) or was never meant to be very successful.
Before that, my memory fails me, but I do remember Empire failing pretty badly.
Basically, they tried again and again and again to cater to the more historically focused crowd, and it didn't pay off for them - while even their completely f*cked up WH2 & 3 releases raked in the money.
The last big success in the historical sector for CA must've been Medieval 2? 2007? And I'd argue that was largely due to (fantasy themed :wink:) mods.

The point is, this isn't a question of fairness.
It's a business decision.
And the historical accuracy fans are just a very small group, which is why major companies avoid them and they are mostly served by small and/or indie devs, such as many Slytherine titles, etc. Games that look more like Excel than Total War, unfortunately.

I'm not saying there will never be a good purely historical game in a Total War style, but I very strongly doubt that CA will be the ones to deliver it, they focus on where they smell the cash for their AA-AAA productions. At this point I also doubt they even have the right "history buff/excited for history" people to pull it off to begin with.
I'd put my money on some indie developer eventually filling that particular gap of large scale real-time battles in a historical setting.

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Quoting: GuestDisgusting. I hope they don't add monsters and mythology. That ruined troy for me, since I want to play a real historical general and relive an alternate history where the particular civilization survives the odds.

Maybe they won't do that.
And then the game will die as quickly as 3K did...
Or maybe this is meant to be a quick-ish cash-grab for them like Troy was.

The LARP that you want is much better served with 4X games of the Paradox kind.
Those where you never really enter the battlefield.
Or something like AoE that is "mostly" historical, but the small unit size enables a very different kind of gameplay.
But in the Total War style of gameplay, being restricted to historical units only is just plain boring. Because there isn't much you can do wrong, there isn't much you can do right, either.
There just aren't enough variables to keep the gameplay interesting - otherwise you'd still see people playing it.
There's also the issue of units looking identical at a glance (from a distance a guy with a sword looks pretty much the same as one with a spear/shield/zweihander/etc) - now a big-ass troll, that one always sticks out and helps readability on the battlefield.

Quoting: GuestPlaying with monsters is just childish rather than the chess game its meant to be.

Do you ever listen to yourself or do you just blurt stuff out, fire-and-forget mode?
"My historical make-believe is so much less childish than the make-believe with fantasy creatures"
"RPS combat is like chess, really, huehuehue *sips wine, tips fedora*"
Dear lord :grin: :grin: :grin:

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Indeed.

On Pharaoh itself...
Usually, historical games are not really my cup of tea, but with Troy they eventually added mythical creatures and people rightfully loved that addition.

Sticking to historical units just limits possibilities so much compared to when you have magic + creatures available.
There's only so much you can do with basic archers, swordsmen, pikemen and cavalry. And that gets old quickly in this kind of game.

Three Kingdoms was a really good game (in many regards better than WH3), but the limited unit variety still meant the game died a very quick death through players stopping to play, as all factions were basically identical except for cosmetics.

From the description, it sounds to me like this could be another Three Kingdoms - but I'm really curious if or how they want to spice it up.

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I've been playing WH3 (and 2 before) through Proton anyway.

Quite frankly, the Feral port isn't terrible, but it tends to come months after an update, and then not even include the latest patches for that update. I doubt Feral is to blame for this, most likely CA is giving them access way too late.
Anyway, all of that means it is borderline impossible to play the game with mods, or only for a very short time until the mods become incompatible (since they need to be up-to-date with the main game).

And since mods are the lifeline to make up for CA's incompetence in fixing their own bugs and balancing their own game, Proton is the way to go for their games anyway.

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Quoting: TcheyMy issue with these games is, i find it fun to play with total strangers randomly logged in, and at the same time i really hate playing with people yelling in the mics, panicking, swearing etc. I’ve always been a very calm and quite player, never yell or stress or throw my mouse over the desk or anything like that. For years i was still typing on keyboard, players muted, while "everyone else" was already on mics...

I find that it depends very much on the kind of game.
With a more cooperative game like Deep Rock Galactic, people tend to be very chill, so voice is fine. I'd assume the same here, to be honest. Everyone is just doing their part :tongue:

But with competitive games like PUBG, Fortnite and all those... hell no! Bunch of amped up tryhards just being pissed half of the time. I don't need that in my ears.

Of course, I almost never play games of the second category anyway.

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Quoting: TrainDocI hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Steam Deck UI and the new Steam desktop UI are based on CEF (Chromium Embedded Framework). The same browser basis steam used for web browsing in its previous revisions of Steam. So they've become even more dependent upon google imo.

Eh, Chromium is open source (with a very permissive license, too, from having a quick look at the license file). It is no more dependent upon a single dev or company than other projects.
Would Google drop it, the community would more than likely just pick it up.

There is no harm in such projects, same as something like using React.js in projects. Yeah, it's made by Faceb-... uhhhh "Meta", but it stands on its own.
And the dependency would only exist in case it was closed source, which it thankfully is not.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: TheSHEEEPOh dear, purists are always such fun.

Purists? What the actual fuck? I just pointed out some blatantly incorrect shit you wrote.

Except that nothing I wrote was incorrect.
You just took offense that I wasn't impressed by your feeble attempt at making an argument.
It was amusing, though, so thanks for that.

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: TheSHEEEPMaintenance of old crap (and yes, I picked that word deliberately) slows down everything in software development. Absolutely everything.

So is Linux slowed down by not breaking compatibility? You should point that out to Linus...
Anyway, it looks like you don't know much about real-life software: maintaining "old crap" is essential, because the world literally run on that. It's no coincidence that the one market where Linux is actually significant are the servers...

You have not understood a single thing I wrote.
And you have also not finished reading.
I mean, you even kept quoting the part where I clearly say where it does make sense.
Ouch. Do you often get ahead of yourself like that? Isn't that a bit embarrassing?

Quoting: GuestDo you even have an example of this or just making stuff out of your ass at this point?

That's the amazing thing:
It doesn't happen very often - BECAUSE IT IS A VERY STUPID THING TO DO IN SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT.
Microsoft did it. And that made it lose touch with developers and creators around the planet, something they only very slowly manage to correct.
Hell, even their own cash cow, Azure, for the most part earns them money based on Linux servers.

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: TheSHEEEPThe kernel mantra only makes sense in the rarest of rarest of occasions - Linux kernel being one of them :wink:

Please don't write "Linux kernel", it makes you look even more ignorant than you are.

That's what it's called.
There are even articles about it, in simple words, too, so that (mostly) everyone can understand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel [External Link]
Shit's crazy, man! There's even a mascot and everything! You wouldn't believe it!
Unless, of course, you want to prove to me that the Linux kernel is not, in fact, the Linux kernel.

I know purists really like to take offense at some terms, but that one is a bit of a strange to one to get your panties in a twist for, don't you think?

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Quoting: GuestMuch of the third world doesn't bother upgrading their PCs as it is rather expensive. Besides, if I still have a perfectly usable computer, why would I throw it out if it still works?

I get that, but we're talking about what does or doesn't make sense for the teams and companies that develop software.
And those have mouths to feed so they move where the money is. And that is not in third world countries.

What I would expect is that inside of those countries themselves there would be a movement to make things work better, if there is a demand. Similar to what happened in the former Soviet countries concerning video games, etc.
As it is, it just looks to me like there is no demand to have this particular functionality.

Quoting: GuestThe support of the Nvidia drivers for the 550 GT M graphics card end from NVIDIA in 2019. You can't install the driver on a modern operating system because it is tied to an older version of xorg. And trying to install that older version of xorg breaks compatibility with everything.

I get how that is annoying, but that is hardly Linux' fault.
You are using a card that is not officially supported anymore by its own manufacturer. Blame them, if you must blame anyone.

Quoting: GuestWindows doesn't intentionally break compatibility with old drivers.

Pffft! Tons of old hardware cannot be used with Windows anymore, their old drivers not installed anymore - but can be used with Linux as a TON of drivers are actually part of the kernel (which "never" breaks things).
Drivers for NVIDIA cards are unfortunately not among them (but again, that's on NVIDIA).
Just in this particular case it seems that the old GPU drivers do still work on "modern" Windows (I mean, even win10 isn't really that modern anymore, is it?).
That's frankly more of a coincidence than anything else - there's certainly nobody at MS going "nah, we have to make sure the 550m cards don't break" ;)
Plenty of software from around 2012 and earlier doesn't work nicely anymore on Win10+.

Besides, aren't Mesa drivers supposed to work fine with older GPUs, even if they are NVIDIA ones?
I have never tried that, but that's what I heard anyway.

Quoting: GuestWhat distros are made to support old hardware?

Honestly, just google "linux distros for old hardware". Of course, not all results are going to be perfect fits, but there are so many "lightweight" distros out there meant specifically for older and/or less powerful machines it's hard to pick one.
So you pick one of those, and then the newest version of them that still supports your GPU driver and you should be golden, no?
Sure, that means you'll not get the newest versions of everything, but that is quite simply a given when trying to use decade-old hardware that isn't even supported anymore by its own manufacturer - because, again, the number of users is way too small to put effort into maintaining compatibility for a very long time.

Quoting: GuestAnd I have an issue with there being no translation layer that gives you the features of Vulcan but using opengl on old hardware. Many older games (like Deus Ex Human Revolution) work well on this hardware on windows, but barely work on Linux using opengl

I frankly doubt that OpenGL itself has much of a future ahead, at least on PC platforms, due to Vulkan.
What I don't know is what keeps Vulkan from working on older hardware. Certain features not present?

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Quoting: GuestFor example, I have a perfectly good laptop from 2012 that can still play games and has inbuilt nvidia gtx 580M that I used to play Pathfinder Kingmaker

That is probably true for you and what... 10 other people? Looking at the recent Steam hardware surveys that GPU doesn't even appear there...
Everyone else upgrades their hardware eventually.
You cannot even sell that old hardware anymore as nobody is buying it - this does flip around, though, once a certain vintage age is reached.

Quoting: GuestGuess what? On linux the support ended in 2019 and I can't use it on modern systems because of an old xorg version. That's just dumb.

The support of WHAT ended in 2019? You said xorg, but how does that prevent you from using the laptop using older versions?

And how is that dumb? They've moved on as did the vast majority of everyone else.
You'd have to be a complete fool as any project manager to use an ever-increasing amount of resources to keep compatibility with an ever-decreasing amount of users.

Quoting: GuestOn the contrary, it should be trying to get people to install Linux on old hardware (that is still perfectly usuable) by promising support via drivers and stuff, that way we can be expanding our user base as word of mouth will spread, especially in countries that still have many users using old hardware "hey you know how windows 11 can't run on your pc and windows 10 runs like trash? Well, I heard this thing called Linux runs really well and you can play all your old games on it too"

You radically overestimate the amount of people running such old hardware or how much of an impact they could make on any statistic.

Besides, Linux is already the best thing to get some use out of old hardware.
If all you want to do is run older (or less demanding) games on an old laptop, you can already do that with Linux.
Having to stick with older software (like an older version of Ubuntu, for example) on an 11 year old laptop in order to achieve that seems pretty damn logical to me.
In contrast to Windows, there are even Linux distros specifically MADE to support old hardware - I honestly don't know what your issue here is.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: TheSHEEEPWhich is one of the great strengths of Linux - it doesn't need to carry that extreme burden of having to support decades of legacy-code and programs.

Where the hell did you get this strange idea?
It's the exact opposite of what you are thinking: Linux does not break userspace! [External Link]

Oh dear, purists are always such fun.
The kernel does not break userspace.
But do you know what does?
Userspace does.

And that's a good thing.
Maintenance of old crap (and yes, I picked that word deliberately) slows down everything in software development. Absolutely everything.
And it hinders improvements. "Oh we can't make this amazing improvement because it would break some old stuff barely anyone uses anymore anyway. So we either can't do it or need to do it twice as cumbersome in order to keep carrying legacy code" - and this issue increases exponentially with every decision made of that kind.

If Linux software adhered to the same mantra as Windows does (or did, they are finally moving away from that, step by step), almost none of us would be here, as the Linux ecosystem would vaguely be where it was 15-20 years ago.
You have to be willing to break things to achieve improvements in software development.

The kernel mantra only makes sense in the rarest of rarest of occasions - Linux kernel being one of them :wink:

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