Quoting: The_AquabatIf you make such a bold claim like twice performance, you have to prove it.

I knew from the start that 2x improvement claim was just marketing. It simply sounded unrealistic.

Quoting: The_AquabatSo I expect Big Navi to score some wins at least on compute tasks, and maybe some games optimized for AMD, and it is definitely not even close to "dead on arrival"

Regarding AMD, they gave projected improvements in their RDNA 2 slides and I don't expect it to be far off:



That's for performance per watt. What's not known yet, is how powerful their highest end card will be using that improvement and whatever amount of compute units they'll put in it. It could be quite a leap from 5700XT.

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Looks fun, but Humble version isn't DRM-free unfortunately.

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Quoting: bisbyxBut I 100% don't expect to get a better price to performance deal, only better open source drivers.

I expect that AMD will provide better price / performance combination, but it wouldn't bother me if it won't happen. I'm not going to use Nvidia either way.

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Quoting: MohandevirIn fact, the gaming GPU market is driven by two selling points, atm: 4K 144hz monitors and RTX.

It doesn't look like it. Only small percentage uses 4K at such framerates and RTX (I assume you simply mean ray tracing) is also not a major feature that's used in practice. The bulk of the market is taken by mid range cards or cards aimed at 2560x1440 / 144 Hz segment.

Something like VR on the other hand could be a driver for most high end segment, but VR is also quite a small use case so far.

I.e. most high end cards are surely quite hyped and talked about, but they are not where most money is at least.

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See also: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_unannounced_addition_of_linux_and_macos_versions_thread/post372 [External Link]

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Quoting: peta77Separating the drivers and having separate releases for them would improve that a lot.

Not necessarily. It's a trade off. Having stuff out of tree brings its own issues even if you get the benefit of having an independent release schedule.

At least with ACO, Mesa is less dependent on llvm for Vulkan now.

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Quoting: Alm888Hey, AMD! Did you see that? That's how it is done! A driver on a day-1!

They publish their dkms driver (which is open source) pretty much on day one. They can't force upstream kernel release schedule or Mesa release schedule, or llvm and so on.

So you can be in situation when upstream projects are lagging behind, while needed support is already public. What can be improved though, is distros providing their own bundled support in such cases until upstream catches up. But most distros don't care about such use cases.

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Quoting: BreezeIs there a game that will be released before October 2021 that I will want 2x performance of 5700XT?

I'm going to upgrade from 5700 XT to RDNA 2 card, but I don't need x2 change, just enough to adequately use 2560x1440 / 144 Hz monitor. Plus, RDNA 1 cards still have hard to fix hardware issues, so hopefully RDNA 2 will finally be more stable.

Same story really was with first generation Ryzens, they were very rough and things got better only with second generation.

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Quoting: EhvisThe funny thing is, they actually changed things quite drastically compared to previous generations. This can be seen with high number of "cuda cores". Is I understand they have been messing with the balance between fp32 units and other components. Which makes the excessive power requirements all the more surprising.

I think excessive power requirements are driven by marketing reasons here. I.e. to show better benchmark numbers you either need to add more compute units or to overclock what you have. I hope at least AMD won't follow the same pattern of increasing power consumption for better numbers.

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Quoting: GuestI'll wait for AMD announcement in October. Really hope that their RDNA2 GPUs are at least on a 3070 Level or something like that.

They said they'll make the whole range of cards with RDNA 2, from low to very high end. So I expect them to match 3080 and below.

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