Wow, Feral really doesn't stop being awesome!

I hope for a day-one release of Alien: Blackout :D

But my first impression from the picture was also Darksiders. Well, there is still the unfinished port from Leszek Godlevski that never got released.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: CorbenThe confusion comes from, if the question in the survey to use wine is meant technically or logically.

Technically, proton is wine (with modifications).
Logically it's not, as it's run through the native Linux Steam client.

Not if you use it without Steam client. Then you run it same way as any other Wine variant.

Exactly what I wrote in the next sentence ;)

Quoting: CorbenIf you use proton outside Steam, it's more towards wine again, but it's a concious decision to use proton instead of vanilla wine.

The two questions should aim to distinguish between if you are using a compatibility layer explicitly (wine, external proton) or passively (Steam play, internal proton).

And I would even think that if it's clear that the "wine" option is meant to be using wine/proton explicitly and outside the Linux Steam client... then the second question is not needed. We are playing games on and through Steam. On Linux. Without tinkering with setting them up. Counting as Linux sales when bought. That's the "normal" way for the gamer. Just hit the install button in Steam and play the game... on Linux.

But I realize people want to point out, that they are playing now games that are using the new Steam Play feature. So yeah, another checkbox is needed. Though Proton remains a special case, as it's comparable to eON, which we don't have an extra checkbox for. The only difference between Proton and eON from a users perspective is, you are able to tinker with it and apply it to any game you want.

I haven't tried to use Proton outside Steam yet, is it easy to use? Is there a significant benefit to use Proton instead of wine?

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The confusion comes from, if the question in the survey to use wine is meant technically or logically.

Technically, proton is wine (with modifications).
Logically it's not, as it's run through the native Linux Steam client. The clueless user doesn't even know.

If you use proton outside Steam, it's more towards wine again, but it's a concious decision to use proton instead of vanilla wine.

So proton is a hybrid...

Imho the question "did you use wine" should mean, have you used any wine version from winehq.org using your own prefix or via lutris or via playonlinux? Maybe this has to be added as a footnote for clarification.

If people would like to reflect that they are using wine under the hood via proton, a question like, did you use the new Steam Play 2.0 and/or enable it for all games? Though that's more a statistics for nerds (which we obviously are) :)

For game devs it's more important to see, on which platform their games are bought. And is was possible to make a windows(/mac)-only game count as a Linux sale before proton, e.g. if you bought it through the Linux Steam client and didn't play it for the first week or so.

In the end you could argue, you won't have to check the wine question in the survey as you haven't used wine explicitly and Proton is treating games like native Linux games from a devs perspective. Technically it's different of course.

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Woohoo, Feral stays awesome! Even though proton is probably causing them headaches. But as we know, Feral doesn't mind buying the game now, even if the native Linux version hasn't arrived yet but is announced. Cool stuff 8)

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A pity... the Steam Link is so much better than any app... our Samsung TV cannot run the app, so I would have to use an android device, as the iOS app is still not released and blocked by apple. Also attaching wired controllers (I still have my Xbox 360 and some clones) is going to be tricky then.

But well, I guess Valve tried to sell out their stock, when they gave the Steam Link almost for free in the former sales, as it didn't sell well before.

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Quoting: Nanobang2018: Still no broadcasting?

Yeah, the Linux Steam client itself still cannot broadcast to the internet. But there is a workaround: You can use the Store Broadcast Beta [External Link]. Join this group, generate a RTMP token, and use this as well as the nearest steam rmtp server as details for your streaming software, e.g. obs. More details on https://steamcommunity.com/broadcast/upload [External Link]

If you then go live with obs, and play a steam game from within the steam client, it will show up on your profile.
I read about this the first time on the restream.io blog: https://support.restream.io/streaming-services/platform-setup/how-to-stream-games-to-steam [External Link]

And it's working pretty well. Sure, it's not the easy "right-click-on-a-buddy-and-watch"-thing, but still better than nothing.

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For Transform Feedback support from DXVK you need the 396.54.09 Vulkan Beta Driver on NVIDIA

Is there a benefit going with the 410 series drivers?

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Meh, I just recently started playing it with my girlfriend... cross platform play was working pretty well :><:
So... let's speak up against that and be loud as usual. Then the devs might reconsider.

edit: I hate do think about it... but... does it work good enough in proton?

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Very human. And I appreciate this move of the dev.

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A while ago I read about a tool to backup your Steam savegames: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/steam-linux-backup-tool-slsk [External Link]
Did anyone try that? When trying betas it might a good idea to backup the savegames with a tool like this.
Haven't tried it myself yet though.

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