Quoting: Mal"EVERYBODY who made a certain amount of money" doesn't make it large publishers? Without mass investments into commercials it's hard to consistently make "certain amount of money" in any business. Let alone a overcrowded business like VGs. And that is essentially publishers business and role in the industry.

Valheim or Stardew Valley... no big publishers or whatever. They made enough money to get a bigger percentage of sales numbers. Other big games fail. You say it like it's a default... that big publishers already get a bigger cut, when that's just not the case. Valve made no deals for anybody.

Quoting: MalI remembered that EGS was not open but already announced. I might be wrong. But if they did it before EGS was announced, that would make a monopoly case even weaker: there was already enough competition to put them under pressure even before Tim crusade. Now it might not even be worth considering.

It was before the EGS was announced. Just by a few days, but it was before... as I said, maybe they heard something through the grapevine, but I can't make a judgment there.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/30/18120577/valve-steam-game-marketplace-revenue-split-new-rules-competition [External Link]

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/announcing-the-epic-games-store [External Link]

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Quoting: MalBut when Epic arrived they felt the pressure to even lowered fees for large publishers. That closes any possible claim of monopoly in front of any court.

Valve never lowered the fees for large publishers. They lowered the fees for EVERYBODY who made a certain amount of money - and that was announced before the EGS was announced. Maybe they heard some industry chatter, but there were no signs of that.

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Quoting: kuhpunktSteam is getting 20 years old soon. Has Valve ever exploited their situation? Did they ever raise the cut they demand? Did they ever make it worse for customers? No, they improved.

Because they have a philosophy that works and makes sense. They understand that this is a symbiotic relationship... and that's good.

In the vast majority of cases competition is great because in the vast majority of cases people almost always abuse a position of "power" or "dominance".

This competition often leads to awful working conditions, because companies need to cut costs to stay profitable (or because they are super greedy). Amazon (and many many others) abuse their position of power and that is with competition. They are dominant and they can do whatever they want.

The end goal doesn't need to be communism... that's not great either, but I'm not sure that competition is such a good thing. In a competition there are always losers - when there is no need for that in the first place.

Steam is the closest thing to a neutral market place. The only thing I wish they could/would do is open it up for other big studios with an API or whatever so that they all use the same infrastructure, but share the costs or whatever.

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A question for you: do you expect the Steam Deck to push Steam player numbers even higher? For a lot of people, it will be an additional device but no doubt it's a device that will be pulling in some new users who didn't previously use Steam or even a PC. It will be thoroughly interesting to see if there's much of an effect there.

I think there will be an effect, but it will show up only over the next few years. The Steam Deck exists to push the PC as a platform and people won't just abandon their consoles over night... but it will help people migrating.

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Quoting: STiATI'd like a competitor to Steam.

What would be the benefit of that?

Less costs for devs/publishers. I know AAAs usually csn easily afford that and still make millions, but indies often can't really afford it.

And besides that?

What has always been the benefit of competition for the consumer? It forces companies to continue to improve, or lose customers to their competition. With little or no competition, a company can basically abuse the hell outta their customers, and nobody can do jack about it. For examples of this behavior, look to Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Xfinity, and many others who abuse the hell out of their monopoly (or near monopoly) positions in the "marketplace" and notice how they get away with some of the shadiest practices simply because the lack of competition for people to switch to gives them that ability.

Or... the competition comes in and in the worst case scenario, forces a company to cut down costs and the service becomes worse as a result of that. Do you want that?

It's always this mantra that competition is great... when the status quo is pretty damn good. Steam is getting 20 years old soon. Has Valve ever exploited their situation? Did they ever raise the cut they demand? Did they ever make it worse for customers? No, they improved.

Because they have a philosophy that works and makes sense. They understand that this is a symbiotic relationship... and that's good.

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Quoting: STiAT

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: STiATI'd like a competitor to Steam.

What would be the benefit of that?

Less costs for devs/publishers. I know AAAs usually csn easily afford that and still make millions, but indies often can't really afford it.

And besides that?

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Quoting: GuestFirst:
What is 'loses' for big company language / mindset etc?
IF in 2019 company earn 12.000.000 $
IF in 2020 company earn 10.000.000 $
then company 'loses' 2.000.000 $
when big company use word 'loses' they mean then earned less than they assumed

No. It means that they lost 2 million, because their income was lower than the money they spent.

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Quoting: The_Aquabatnot surpised since Cyberpunk is a pretty bad game.

What does Cyberpunk have to do with the success of GOG?

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Quoting: STiATI'd like a competitor to Steam.

What would be the benefit of that?

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Quoting: mZSq7Fq3qsI am hoping that AMD FSR will be implemented to gamescope!

They say in the FAQ that they will add FSR later for games that don't support it.

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