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Quoting: GuestWelcome to the world of manipulative language.
Most of the lawsuit is, in my opinion, full of it. But the price parity for places where there are no steam keys involved, is possibly quite serious, so it pays to be extra explicit about it.

What manipulative language?

The blog post is about price parity and that he claims that Valve would kick him off Steam if he would sell the game at another place for less money.

Chet said that this isn't true and that a clause, that would forbid it, doesn't exist in the agreement.

Both of you. Stop - read the post I made on the previous page that actually contains the relevant text from the Steam agreement.

Yes, but that applies only to the keys - not for example selling the game for $30 on Steam and $20 on the Epic Store. That's what he complains about.

I have yet to find anything in the documentation about that. Still reading though, there's a LOT of it.

I'd be very interested in the contents, but it's probably best to say if you have/haven't found something relevant, and not post any contents. I'd assume it's NDA'd somehow, or it'd be readily available online already. In other words, don't get yourself in trouble.

But anyway, I'm just saying that people shouldn't discount everything because Valve paid money to some FOSS projects, but rather remember that Valve isn't doing anything for altruistic purposes. Doesn't mean price parity as stated in the lawsuit is true, doesn't mean it's not.

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Quoting: GuestWelcome to the world of manipulative language.
Most of the lawsuit is, in my opinion, full of it. But the price parity for places where there are no steam keys involved, is possibly quite serious, so it pays to be extra explicit about it.

What manipulative language?

The blog post is about price parity and that he claims that Valve would kick him off Steam if he would sell the game at another place for less money.

Chet said that this isn't true and that a clause, that would forbid it, doesn't exist in the agreement.

Both of you. Stop - read the post I made on the previous page that actually contains the relevant text from the Steam agreement.

Yes, but that applies only to the keys - not for example selling the game for $30 on Steam and $20 on the Epic Store. That's what he complains about.

I have yet to find anything in the documentation about that. Still reading though, there's a LOT of it.

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Quoting: GuestWelcome to the world of manipulative language.
Most of the lawsuit is, in my opinion, full of it. But the price parity for places where there are no steam keys involved, is possibly quite serious, so it pays to be extra explicit about it.

What manipulative language?

The blog post is about price parity and that he claims that Valve would kick him off Steam if he would sell the game at another place for less money.

Chet said that this isn't true and that a clause, that would forbid it, doesn't exist in the agreement.

Both of you. Stop - read the post I made on the previous page that actually contains the relevant text from the Steam agreement.

Quoting: GuestWelcome to the world of manipulative language.
Most of the lawsuit is, in my opinion, full of it. But the price parity for places where there are no steam keys involved, is possibly quite serious, so it pays to be extra explicit about it.

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Quoting: GuestAgree or not with Valve's price parity clause (disclaimer: I don't agree with that) but at least look at it on its own merits.

If there even is one...

Have you read the lawsuit?

And this topic is about a blog post of someone who is in a position to know if there is this clause or not. He's seen the clauses.

Unless you're calling him a liar. In which case I'd say that David Rosen has far more credibility than you do.

And I have quoted Chet Faliszek (ex-Valve employee), who said that such a clause doesn't exist.

Great. Show me the quote.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/david-rosen-of-wolfire-games-explains-why-theyre-taking-on-valve-in-a-lawsuit/comment_id=202951

Yeah....that doesn't say what you think it says. Someone is asking explicitly about price parity and there is, at the time of writing, no response to that.

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Quoting: GuestAgree or not with Valve's price parity clause (disclaimer: I don't agree with that) but at least look at it on its own merits.

If there even is one...

Have you read the lawsuit?

And this topic is about a blog post of someone who is in a position to know if there is this clause or not. He's seen the clauses.

Unless you're calling him a liar. In which case I'd say that David Rosen has far more credibility than you do.

And I have quoted Chet Faliszek (ex-Valve employee), who said that such a clause doesn't exist.

Great. Show me the quote.

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Quoting: GuestAgree or not with Valve's price parity clause (disclaimer: I don't agree with that) but at least look at it on its own merits.

If there even is one...

Have you read the lawsuit?

And this topic is about a blog post of someone who is in a position to know if there is this clause or not. He's seen the clauses.

Unless you're calling him a liar. In which case I'd say that David Rosen has far more credibility than you do.

Quoting: GuestAgree or not with Valve's price parity clause (disclaimer: I don't agree with that) but at least look at it on its own merits.

Quoting: pbI remember buying the first Humble Indie Bundle and playing all the games, and when I got to Lugaru (which I knew came from the initiators of HIB) I thought "wow, these guys just piggybacked on their fellow indie developers' actual games to push this hot piece of unfinished game / tech demo out of the door". And now I read that their $30 game that was supposed to be an actually-finished Lugaru is still unfinished after all these years (I have it from some bundle but after bad experience with Lugaru I haven't touched it). And they are suing Valve over wanting a fair treatment by their business partner... The entitlement just drips form that guy... :huh:

Quoting: rustybroomhandleAnyhoo, much like the Apple/Epic thing I think the only good thing that will come out of this is that a bunch of previously secret info/documents will now become public. Always nice to know more.

Also, I have bought Steam keys cheaper than Steam on other stores before (Indiegala, Humble). Not sure how much Valve enforces the price parity rule. They could probably just concede and lose nothing.

Example: You can buy a boxed version of Prey from Amazon that comes with a Steam key for $20 (new, not used), which is definitely cheaper than on Steam. I can't see the dollar prices, but even with regional pricing, the Amazon one is cheaper.