Quoting: appetrosyan

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Quoting: appetrosyanMarketing wise, is it wise to release a game you developed in house, for a hostile platform, and only then release it for "steam", OS? I mean I understand that they have no faith in other publishers. But WTF? Valve? It's your OS. If you want for it to make sense for people to install it, add some incentive!

Hostile platform? No faith in other publishers? What are you even talking about?

Put it differently.

How do you expect other people to support Steam OS and Steam consoles, if you yourself, release what should be a steam os exclusive on Windows first, and only patch support for your in house platform post-launch.

Steam OS exclusivity would be just stupid. And that's not what Steam OS is for.

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Quoting: appetrosyanMarketing wise, is it wise to release a game you developed in house, for a hostile platform, and only then release it for "steam", OS? I mean I understand that they have no faith in other publishers. But WTF? Valve? It's your OS. If you want for it to make sense for people to install it, add some incentive!

Hostile platform? No faith in other publishers? What are you even talking about?

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Quoting: kusochiWoah! Is this the first Source 2 game with Vulkan?

Dota 2, Artifact and parts of The Lab already ran on Source 2.

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Might be a silly question, but what are the chances this becomes a part of Proton? One step less for Out of the Box experiences.

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Quoting: kuhpunktDude, what are you even talking about? XD

Since you're typing in English, I assume you understand English, so you're going to have to be a bit more specific as to what you're confused about.

Everything.

VR isn't that expensive anymore. SteamVR is a standard. And then you start talking about communism.

For some of us it is expensive. I certainly couldn't afford it.

It's been on the market for several years now. You could have saved up some money. And I assume you have a gaming PC. How much did you spend on this? And of course it's going to get cheaper. Technology always does.

Y'know, people with money talking to people without money like they know shit is exactly what gets people talking about Communism.

What makes you think I have money? And we're talking about GAMING here. This is such a first world problem.

If you airily say to someone who says they can't afford something, that they can afford it, that's because compared to them you have money (and perhaps fewer responsibilities). And are clueless about the distinction.

That's rubbish. I'd really like to know the situation those people are in that they have the need to complain about not being able to play a stupid game. If they REALLY wanted to, getting a VR headset wouldn't be much of a problem. HL:A already needs a rather powerful system. Is that a problem?

It's just the same anti-VR nonsense over and over again.

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Quoting: kuhpunktI just find this hostility towards VR from some people so weird.

If someone doesn't find VR appealing, then making a game that only works in VR looks like an arbitrary and unnecessary barrier to entry. That's why people are hostile toward it. People feel like games are being kept from them for no good reason.

Being hostile isn't very mature. And people are stupid if they actually think that. As if they are owed a game...

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Quoting: Brisse

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: kuhpunktDude, what are you even talking about? XD

Since you're typing in English, I assume you understand English, so you're going to have to be a bit more specific as to what you're confused about.

Everything.

VR isn't that expensive anymore. SteamVR is a standard. And then you start talking about communism.

For some of us it is expensive. I certainly couldn't afford it.

It's been on the market for several years now. You could have saved up some money. And I assume you have a gaming PC. How much did you spend on this? And of course it's going to get cheaper. Technology always does.

Sure, but I'm just not that attracted to VR in it's current state so I'd rather spend money on more important things. Maybe one day I'll change my mind.

Sure. And that's totally fine. I just find this hostility towards VR from some people so weird.

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Quoting: Guest

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: kuhpunktDude, what are you even talking about? XD

Since you're typing in English, I assume you understand English, so you're going to have to be a bit more specific as to what you're confused about.

Everything.

VR isn't that expensive anymore. SteamVR is a standard. And then you start talking about communism.

That's completely wrong. VR is very expensive still, and look with your own eyes at a VR game on Steam and you'll see specific headsets mentioned rather than a standard like OpenXR.

Samsung Odyssey+ is often on sale for ~$250.

And SteamVR is a standard that supports all kinds of hardware.

Great, a piece of hardware, sometimes, costs lower than the price of an entire gaming console. How special.

SteamVR isn't an open real standard unless it in turn supports OpenXR or something that is a real open standard. Can you make a game using SteamVR without Steam, and would that code be open source and controlled by you? Case closed.

Also, if SteamVR was a standard, then they'd just show that icon instead of the icons for different individual VR headsets, and headsets would be sold with a SteamVR icon on them to show they adhere to a standard.

And DirectX and Vulkan support hardware from different companies, yet they are listed - because people should know what hardware is supported.

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Quoting: Guest

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: kuhpunktDude, what are you even talking about? XD

Since you're typing in English, I assume you understand English, so you're going to have to be a bit more specific as to what you're confused about.

Everything.

VR isn't that expensive anymore. SteamVR is a standard. And then you start talking about communism.

That's completely wrong. VR is very expensive still, and look with your own eyes at a VR game on Steam and you'll see specific headsets mentioned rather than a standard like OpenXR.

Samsung Odyssey+ is often on sale for ~$250.

And SteamVR is a standard that supports all kinds of hardware.

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Quoting: Mountain Man

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Quoting: kuhpunktWhy do you keep saying that it's a gimmick?

Because in my opinion, it is. I've tried VR, and my impression was the same I had with 3D television: neat but not essential and certainly not worth the additional expense and hassle to set it up.

3DTV doesn't allow anything that 2DTV doesn't offer. VR does. And you set it up once. There's hardly any hassle.

I'm not comparing VR to 3D television. I'm saying that my reaction when I had the opportunity to try VR was the same.

Which doesn't change the fact that VR does things that 3DTV doesn't. You can't play Beat Saber with Mouse and Keyboard or a Controller.

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