Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: hardpenguin

A possible port to Unity to have it on mobile (...)

That is quite silly as they have already successfully tested Source 2 on Android!

Sources:

• https://www.pcgamesn.com/artifact/artifact-source-2-ios-android [External Link]


• https://toucharcade.com/2018/03/13/valve-has-dota-2-and-the-source-2-engine-running-on-mobile-devices-other-mobile-ports-are-possible/ [External Link]

I agree, given the info I don't think VNN is right on that point.

Well, he only showed all the Unity stuff that's in the update. There also was a picture of something on Twitter on his Feed, but that seems to have been deleted.

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Quoting: TobyGornowValve didn't have to pay or ask for exclusives in their store, they were coming by themselves (hence Yakuza 0 example), Tencent is just cranking up the heat and it's just fair game, if valve wants exclusive they will NOW have to pay for it.

Valve DON'T WANT exclusives.

Quoting: TobyGornowPlease, I beg you, stop saying Valve is nice or nicer than Epic it hurts. They are crooks with their 30% cut, Quasi-monopolistic positon for years, they killed physical distribution with more than aggressive pricing, Steam can be considered as a DRM locking down pc gaming to their platform, and let's wait and see if source 2 Engine games will be distributed outside Steam, announcement has been made 2 years ago when they were still undisputed. Unreal Engine is free to use too don't know about their distribution politics tho.

They are nicer. They aren't crooks. Unreal Engine isn't free, btw.

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Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: TobyGornowMaybe the Orange box was the wrong example ( still an exclusive, You could install Half life 1 without Steam ), take Yakuza 0 instead : you cannot buy it physically, in any way, even if you could you'll be kindly invited to connect on Steam. You can buy it on Humble or elsewhere, sure... and activate it on Steam. In any case, you'll end up on Steam. That's why I said it's time that Valve gets a taste of his own medicine, there is a lot of exclusive on Steam that are not Valve's IP.

That's the publisher's fault for not releasing it anywhere else. That's completely different from what Epic is doing. Other devs release their games on multiple stores.

Same thing dude, Yakuza is tied to Steam as much as Exodus is tied (temporarily) to Epic store, that's simple exclusivity for me, Valve made us and dev captive for too long, today your a big publisher you have to put your catalog on Steam otherwise you'll sell peanuts.
And in Epic case, they just made a cash proposition to Deep silver that was accepted, it's just fair business against a competition using the same tools and again no emotions in business. I repeat it : Deep Silver should suffer a massive boycott of their games but it won't happen, people are sheep waiting to be shaved and then put down. Epic is not at fault here, they are just competing against an enemy in an almost monopolistic position and they need big guns in order to do it. Valve is not a Care Bear, they deserve some hard competition.

Compare it to the only supermarket in town. It has a good relationship with other, smaller stores in the neighborhood, and it even develops stuff usable by them too. Still it might be the only store who sells bananas in the whole area you live in. When someone else opens up a supermarket next to it and claims the whole banana market for itself (say for the next year, prunes is forever), you really think that's the same?

Man, thanks for dumbing it down for me... My Turn : Metro exodus bought on Amazon (or Wherever) and forced to be activated on Epic Store = Exclusivity / Yakuza 0 bought on Gog or Humble (or Wherever) forced to be activated on Steam = Exclusivity.
And because you like to play on words : They are not claiming the whole Banana market just a new variety they PAID for. And again, YOU are right those methods are digusting but common practices in retail or others market, Valve is no stranger to those.

Edit : The friendly local supermarket you described fu***ng killed physical distribution of Pc gaming, nice relationship if you ask me.

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Quoting: TobyGornowSame thing dude, Yakuza is tied to Steam as much as Exodus is tied (temporarily) to Epic store, that's simple exclusivity for me, Valve made us and dev captive for too long, today your a big publisher you have to put your catalog on Steam otherwise you'll sell peanuts.

It's not the same thing. They just chose to go there and use Steam, while you can still buy the game at many other stores.

And I'd be happy for other stores to get Yakuza without the Steam-connection. THQ is doing that for example. You can buy Darksiders 3 pretty much everywhere, which is something Valve promotes.

You can buy Metro Exodus on Amazon or at your local supermarket but will be forced to activate it on Epic Store. Deep silver chose to go with Epic like Sega decided to go with Steam.

Guys, I'm on your side here, just saying that Valve is not the nice player you want him to be and, from my point of view, Proton / SteamPlay is just Valve trying to scrap the bottom of the pot for the last crumbs giving you the illusion they care about you: they are not, they answer only to dollars. Those company are not giving anything for free, believe me I work for one of those big global retail company. And remember you still have your free will to not eat banana, I know it's good but you can live on prunes or apples. Eat local.:wink:

Is there something special with Yakuza?

Usually Valve never asks for any kind of exclusivity. If Yakuza is only available on Steam, it's on the publisher who decided it was the way to go. Nothing prevents them, tomorrow to publish the game somewhere else. That's the major difference with Metro: Exodus and Epic's deal; cash was laid to make sure the game won't be on another store for a complete year.

That's how Valve works, usually, unless there is something special with this game?

No, he just doesn't seem to get that. And it's not even "usually." It's always. Valve never asks for exclusive deals.

Back when they announced the Source 2 Engine (which they still have to release, but that's another topic) they said it will be free for everybody to use, with the only requirement that any game using it ALSO has to be sold on Steam. That's it. That's the opposite of exclusivity.

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But they ARE nicer. They do a lot for PC gaming in general, because it benefits them.

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"Dmitri Glukhovsky is clearly not a man to mince words. He posted his thoughts on Instagram, with a picture of Metro Exodus train the Aurora alongside the text "apparently the Steam was not enough for our steam train! That was innocuous enough, but then he replied to someone suggesting he was "killing his own franchise" (as if he was responsible for the move to Epic's store) with "no, I am standing by and watching it being killed"."

https://www.gamewatcher.com/news/metro-creator-metro-exodus-epic-move-steam [External Link]

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Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: devnullWonder what happens if one bought the game on Epic's store and activated it later on steam? Valve would lose out on some cash while still being on the hook for infrastructure support.

How would that even work? It's not like you're getting a Steam key on EGS.

Kind of the point. You _can_ recover a cd key with steam.

What do you mean?

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Quoting: devnullWonder what happens if one bought the game on Epic's store and activated it later on steam? Valve would lose out on some cash while still being on the hook for infrastructure support.

How would that even work? It's not like you're getting a Steam key on EGS.

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Quoting: TobyGornowSame thing dude, Yakuza is tied to Steam as much as Exodus is tied (temporarily) to Epic store, that's simple exclusivity for me, Valve made us and dev captive for too long, today your a big publisher you have to put your catalog on Steam otherwise you'll sell peanuts.

It's not the same thing. They just chose to go there and use Steam, while you can still buy the game at many other stores.

And I'd be happy for other stores to get Yakuza without the Steam-connection. THQ is doing that for example. You can buy Darksiders 3 pretty much everywhere, which is something Valve promotes.

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Quoting: TobyGornowMaybe the Orange box was the wrong example ( still an exclusive, You could install Half life 1 without Steam ), take Yakuza 0 instead : you cannot buy it physically, in any way, even if you could you'll be kindly invited to connect on Steam. You can buy it on Humble or elsewhere, sure... and activate it on Steam. In any case, you'll end up on Steam. That's why I said it's time that Valve gets a taste of his own medicine, there is a lot of exclusive on Steam that are not Valve's IP.

That's the publisher's fault for not releasing it anywhere else. That's completely different from what Epic is doing. Other devs release their games on multiple stores.

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Quoting: johndoe86xYou can buy the game on the Epic store for $10 less than you would on Steam, and you can import into your Steam library and use Proton.

It was 59,99€ in Germany on Steam, it's 59,99€ in Germany on EGS.

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