Quoting: Purple Library Guybut it's just ignoring reality to pretend their main business is still making games. It obviously isn't.
And all the better for both us and them. For us, because one game studio vaguely interested in Linux wouldn't be much use to us compared to this huge platform thing being interested in Linux. For them, because which would you rather have--100% of the revenue (and expenses) for 3 or 4 games, or 30% of the revenue for gajillions of games?
Frankly, I think they're still making games at all mainly because someone at Valve is of the opinion that it's useful for the main business to still have some hands-on experience with what it's like, so they can keep their finger on the pulse of the developer world and not get out of touch.

Did I say anywhere that game development is their main business? No. I just said that there are still many game devs at Valve and they've gotta do SOMETHING... otherwise they wouldn't be there. But people here claim over and over again that Valve as a game dev is dead and will never make a REAL game again...

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Quoting: kuhpunktIt's a fact that they have been working on games all the time. Things like that space game might have fallen apart, sure. Others like HL3 might have slowed down/been restarted due to a lack of interest or whatever... but saying that they haven't been working on anything for the past couple of years is just plain wrong.

Yeah, so? There are facts. Things have been leaked. That's no baseless claim. I don't claim to know anything besides that. I don't know what games they will release next (besides In The Valley Of Gods) and when Half-Life 3 will be a thing and what VR games they are exactly working on.

Well, you believing in leaks more than in what Gabe Newell says about his company and presenting your conclusions as facts might be part of the communication problem.

Facts have nothing to do with believing. That's why they are facts :/

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So ignore everything else and don't make a single rational/logical argument. Fine.

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Quoting: kuhpunktYou don't know that.

You too.

With the difference that I don't make claims like you do.

Quoting: kuhpunktIt's a fact that they have been working on games all the time. Things like that space game might have fallen apart, sure. Others like HL3 might have slowed down/been restarted due to a lack of interest or whatever... but saying that they haven't been working on anything for the past couple of years is just plain wrong.

Yeah, so? There are facts. Things have been leaked. That's no baseless claim. I don't claim to know anything besides that. I don't know what games they will release next (besides In The Valley Of Gods) and when Half-Life 3 will be a thing and what VR games they are exactly working on.

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Quoting: kuhpunktYou don't know that.

You too.

With the difference that I don't make claims like you do.

Look, it's Schrödinger's cat! You say it's dead. I say we don't know if it's alive or dead until we actually find out.

Quoting: ageresI think if they had games in development they would have shown them just to tell people that Artifact is not Valve's top priority and more games are to come.

They already said that they are working on multiple projects. Did Blizzard need to show people Titan to tell them that they were working on something? Was showing Duke Nukem Forever back in 1997 a good idea? No. It's ridiculous.

Quoting: ageresExactly. Valve don't care about what gamers want anymore, just $$$. I appreciate what Gaben is doing for Linux, but let's get real: Valve is dead as a game development company.

Way to miscontrue things. They do what they want and what they think is right. They've always done that. And if they would just want $$$ - they would just release Half-Life 3, because that guarantee millions of sales.

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Quoting: ageresDefinitely not on game development.

You don't know that.

Quoting: ageresBecause gamers are much more interested in a Dota card game than in HL3, sure.

Lack of interest BY THE DEVELOPERS. That's how things at Valve work. Low hierarchy.

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Quoting: EikeGabe Newell said they are [back in the business of “making and shipping games.”](https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/9/17099920/valve-artifact-new-games-gabe-newell) Emphasis mine.
He should know what happens behind his closed doors and if there's been some major gap, no?

How does that contradict my statement?

You implied they've been working on games all the time, Newell is cited as being back on games, which implies they haven't.
If that's not what you wanted to express, you should make your point clearer. I got the impression though this became a discussion for the sake of discussing.

I'm never discussing things for the sake of discussing things. That would be pretty pointless. I just wouldn't put too much emphasis on that quote by Gabe, especially because there's some context.

It's a fact that they have been working on games all the time. Things like that space game might have fallen apart, sure. Others like HL3 might have slowed down/been restarted due to a lack of interest or whatever... but saying that they haven't been working on anything for the past couple of years is just plain wrong.

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Quoting: kuhpunktI mean they could literally just use Proton, since it's open source.

If Google can push more developers to use Vulkan, it will be a big plus already.

As long as they don't enforce Streaming only I'm fine with it as an alternative. If people want to use it... fine. But I would never want to rely on that.

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Quoting: DuncIt's true they didn't abandon it completely - maybe I should have said new game development - but Portal 2 is almost eight years old, and Left 4 Dead 2 is nine. Dota2 was effectively bought in, and TF2 hasn't seen a major update in a long while. It's pretty obvious that Steam has been the priority for the best part of a decade.

They LITERALLY just released a game this week. Dota 2 wasn't bought in. And just because you don't know what happens behind closed doors doesn't mean they aren't working on games. What else do you think those developers are doing?

Gabe Newell said they are [back in the business of “making and shipping games.”](https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/9/17099920/valve-artifact-new-games-gabe-newell) Emphasis mine.
He should know what happens behind his closed doors and if there's been some major gap, no?

How does that contradict my statement?

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Quoting: kuhpunktI guess that's why they either ported AC to Linux or use something like Steam Play. I seriously doubt that Google wants to use Windows/pay for their licenses. That's where Vulkan comes in.

Rather I'd expect straight Wine+add-ons in such case. Google doesn't need Steam itself for their backend. Throwing in enough hardware, they can produce good performance for a lot of even Windows only games (using Wine).

"something like" Steam Play ;)

I mean they could literally just use Proton, since it's open source.

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