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Move over Steam Link, there's a Raspberry Pi app in town now
3 Dec 2018 at 10:21 pm UTC Likes: 2
3 Dec 2018 at 10:21 pm UTC Likes: 2
Quoting: liamdaweWho knows what the future of Steam Play will bring :DQuoting: Stupendous ManDoes that mean the Steam platform has or will be ported to ARM? Would be cool to run it my Linux-running ARM Chromebook!No, it will be pretty useless too since every game would need to then support ARM.
The Mirror Lied, a short adventure from the creator of To the Moon adds Linux support
3 Dec 2018 at 1:42 pm UTC
3 Dec 2018 at 1:42 pm UTC
Quoting: EhvisCool! I'll happily give up a game of Artifact to see what Kan Gao has to say. I hope this is a prelude to another full game since everything Freebird Games makes will be a day one purchase for me.Nope, it's just a very old game of his from before To the Moon. He's working on a Sigmund-Sequel at the moment.
Valve have adjusted their revenue share for bigger titles on Steam
3 Dec 2018 at 11:41 am UTC Likes: 1
There's been that saying (I think it's from Walt Disney himself) and you can argue all day whether that still applies, but it goes like this: "We don't make movies to make money, we make money to make movies."
I think something like that applies to Valve, too. They make a shit ton of money with Steam and with that money they work on all kinds of projects. Linux, VR and of course games. They just created a new website in May of this year to show this. And that's the thing that frustrates people: they can afford to do things the way they want. If they aren't happy and satisfied with a game, they won't release it (Gabe himself said that he regrets Half-Life and that was a series of compromises and failures with Xen being completely rushed and made in a few weeks or something). They aren't forced to ship any crap like Underworld Ascendant or whatever. They also are not owned by anybody. They have no shareholders that force them to release stuff. EA doesn't dictate them to develop the next Need for Speed.
I brought up this example before, but I will bring it again: Valve is Schrödinger's box. There's a cat in the box. But we don't know whether the cat is dead or alive. None of us really do. We just know there's a cat in it and we will only find out if it's dead or alive when the box is opened.
Maybe we even get to look into this box THIS FRIDAY at the Game Awards. What if they present a new game in a few days? What will people say then? It's possible. But I bet some people will be angry when it's "just" a VR game anyway... because that's not a real game.
3 Dec 2018 at 11:41 am UTC Likes: 1
Quoting: EikeValve didn't publish a single game for five years between Dota 2 (2013) and Artifact (2018).But that doesn't mean that they didn't work on anything. We barley got a glimpse behind the scenes through some leaks. Blizzard worked on that Warcraft Adventure. It was almost finished, but never published. Blizzard worked on Starcraft: Ghost. That had some trouble, but was shown multiple times. It was never released. Blizzard worked for years on a project named Titan. That was never released and was supposedly turned into Overwatch. Concluding that they weren't developing anything based on the fact that those games were never published makes no sense. And Valve worked on HL3 (there's even a rumor about it being an RTS!), Left 4 Dead 3 and other stuff. They worked on a space pirate games called Stars of Blood. It was just canceled, like other games... that even happened before Half-Life 1. That happens in lots of companies.
Quoting: Eike(Before that, they released 24 games in 14 years.)Barely. You aren't seriously counting something like Lost Coast. Or Alien Swarm. Right?
Quoting: EikePeople are stating that Valve has not been eagerly making games for a long time (half a decade) with a reason. And, which is the main point... they are crestfallen! They are aching for HL3, Portal 3, L4D3! What Valve has been releasing 5 years ago and last week was disappointing their hopes. From what I read, you're longing for Half-Life 3 as well. (Which seems to be a reason for your strong feelings to me.)Yes of course I want Half-Life 3. But just because it hasn't been published yet doesn't mean they aren't working on it RIGHT NOW. You can't deny that this is possible.
Quoting: EikeSpeculation ahead: Half-Life 3 will never come. They didn't even dare to call HL2Ep1 & 2 "Half-Life 3". No game could satisfy what people are dreaming of, that's why there will be no such game. Not even (or maybe even less likely then) when people riot.I'm sure that you will be happy when you find out that you're wrong. Whenever that day will come.
Quoting: EikeIt's a good question I wish I could answer. Caring for their long-term games sure provides some work, but I wonder for how long for how many developers. Is there a number of developers known by the way? My guess is that for such a lucrative company, their output is not too important.Of course it's not too important. But it would make no sense to keep all those devs employed and waste money on them if they weren't doing anything.
Quoting: EikeBecause, what I guess you can agree on: Valve is making the vast majority of its money by selling foreign games.Of course. And that gives them an incredible amount of resources that many other devs can't afford.
There's been that saying (I think it's from Walt Disney himself) and you can argue all day whether that still applies, but it goes like this: "We don't make movies to make money, we make money to make movies."
I think something like that applies to Valve, too. They make a shit ton of money with Steam and with that money they work on all kinds of projects. Linux, VR and of course games. They just created a new website in May of this year to show this. And that's the thing that frustrates people: they can afford to do things the way they want. If they aren't happy and satisfied with a game, they won't release it (Gabe himself said that he regrets Half-Life and that was a series of compromises and failures with Xen being completely rushed and made in a few weeks or something). They aren't forced to ship any crap like Underworld Ascendant or whatever. They also are not owned by anybody. They have no shareholders that force them to release stuff. EA doesn't dictate them to develop the next Need for Speed.
I brought up this example before, but I will bring it again: Valve is Schrödinger's box. There's a cat in the box. But we don't know whether the cat is dead or alive. None of us really do. We just know there's a cat in it and we will only find out if it's dead or alive when the box is opened.
Maybe we even get to look into this box THIS FRIDAY at the Game Awards. What if they present a new game in a few days? What will people say then? It's possible. But I bet some people will be angry when it's "just" a VR game anyway... because that's not a real game.
Valve have adjusted their revenue share for bigger titles on Steam
3 Dec 2018 at 9:19 am UTC
That's what's so annoying. As you said: we don't know the future and speculating is hard.
But I'm still waiting for an answer to the question what people think what the game developers at Valve did for the past couple of years? All I got was them swimming in Scrooge McDuck's money bin.
We KNOW FOR A FACT that they spent a lot of time developing the Source 2 engine, to make it easier to create content and all that stuff. That's real. Not speculation. We've seen screenshots and artwork of other projects they've been working on. That's real.
3 Dec 2018 at 9:19 am UTC
Quoting: EikeNo, it's not. Discussion was about the last years, not the years to come. Prediction is especially hard when concerning the future, for everybody of us.Of course it's everywhere. I see opinion pieces, I see comment sections... everywhere are people who say that Valve is dead as a game developer, that they will never make games again, because they earn their money with Steam and that there will never be a Half-Life 3 unless we riot (slightly hyperbolic).
That's what's so annoying. As you said: we don't know the future and speculating is hard.
But I'm still waiting for an answer to the question what people think what the game developers at Valve did for the past couple of years? All I got was them swimming in Scrooge McDuck's money bin.
We KNOW FOR A FACT that they spent a lot of time developing the Source 2 engine, to make it easier to create content and all that stuff. That's real. Not speculation. We've seen screenshots and artwork of other projects they've been working on. That's real.
Valve have adjusted their revenue share for bigger titles on Steam
3 Dec 2018 at 8:49 am UTC
3 Dec 2018 at 8:49 am UTC
Quoting: EikeCitations needed
Quoting: DuncThat's why abandoning game development to concentrate on Steam was a mistake.
Quoting: DuncClearly their eyes have been off the ball. They've let a lot of developers, especially on the creative side, go over recent years. It's one of the reasons many fans have lost hope of ever seeing HL3 or Portal 3.
Quoting: ageresThey made no games since 2011 (I mean REAL games). If they wanted to make one, they would have released it already.
Quoting: ageresHL2 and CS: Source aren't nothing. CSGO, Dota 2 and Artifact are.
Quoting: ageresDo you have better guesses what Valve spent their billions on? I don't. Definitely not on game development.
Quoting: ageresValve don't care about what gamers want anymore, just $$$. I appreciate what Gaben is doing for Linux, but let's get real: Valve is dead as a game development company.And it's not just here. It's everywhere.
Valve have adjusted their revenue share for bigger titles on Steam
2 Dec 2018 at 10:18 pm UTC
2 Dec 2018 at 10:18 pm UTC
Quoting: Purple Library Guybut it's just ignoring reality to pretend their main business is still making games. It obviously isn't.Did I say anywhere that game development is their main business? No. I just said that there are still many game devs at Valve and they've gotta do SOMETHING... otherwise they wouldn't be there. But people here claim over and over again that Valve as a game dev is dead and will never make a REAL game again...
And all the better for both us and them. For us, because one game studio vaguely interested in Linux wouldn't be much use to us compared to this huge platform thing being interested in Linux. For them, because which would you rather have--100% of the revenue (and expenses) for 3 or 4 games, or 30% of the revenue for gajillions of games?
Frankly, I think they're still making games at all mainly because someone at Valve is of the opinion that it's useful for the main business to still have some hands-on experience with what it's like, so they can keep their finger on the pulse of the developer world and not get out of touch.
Valve have adjusted their revenue share for bigger titles on Steam
2 Dec 2018 at 1:53 pm UTC
2 Dec 2018 at 1:53 pm UTC
Quoting: EikeFacts have nothing to do with believing. That's why they are facts :/Quoting: kuhpunktWell, you believing in leaks more than in what Gabe Newell says about his company and presenting your conclusions as facts might be part of the communication problem.Quoting: kuhpunktIt's a fact that they have been working on games all the time. Things like that space game might have fallen apart, sure. Others like HL3 might have slowed down/been restarted due to a lack of interest or whatever... but saying that they haven't been working on anything for the past couple of years is just plain wrong.Yeah, so? There are facts. Things have been leaked. That's no baseless claim. I don't claim to know anything besides that. I don't know what games they will release next (besides In The Valley Of Gods) and when Half-Life 3 will be a thing and what VR games they are exactly working on.
Valve have adjusted their revenue share for bigger titles on Steam
2 Dec 2018 at 1:18 pm UTC
2 Dec 2018 at 1:18 pm UTC
So ignore everything else and don't make a single rational/logical argument. Fine.
Valve have adjusted their revenue share for bigger titles on Steam
2 Dec 2018 at 12:54 pm UTC
2 Dec 2018 at 12:54 pm UTC
Quoting: EikeYeah, so? There are facts. Things have been leaked. That's no baseless claim. I don't claim to know anything besides that. I don't know what games they will release next (besides In The Valley Of Gods) and when Half-Life 3 will be a thing and what VR games they are exactly working on.Quoting: kuhpunktQuoting: ageresWith the difference that I don't make claims like you do.Quoting: kuhpunktYou don't know that.You too.Quoting: kuhpunktIt's a fact that they have been working on games all the time. Things like that space game might have fallen apart, sure. Others like HL3 might have slowed down/been restarted due to a lack of interest or whatever... but saying that they haven't been working on anything for the past couple of years is just plain wrong.
Valve have adjusted their revenue share for bigger titles on Steam
2 Dec 2018 at 12:20 pm UTC
Look, it's Schrödinger's cat! You say it's dead. I say we don't know if it's alive or dead until we actually find out.
2 Dec 2018 at 12:20 pm UTC
Quoting: ageresWith the difference that I don't make claims like you do.Quoting: kuhpunktYou don't know that.You too.
Look, it's Schrödinger's cat! You say it's dead. I say we don't know if it's alive or dead until we actually find out.
Quoting: ageresI think if they had games in development they would have shown them just to tell people that Artifact is not Valve's top priority and more games are to come.They already said that they are working on multiple projects. Did Blizzard need to show people Titan to tell them that they were working on something? Was showing Duke Nukem Forever back in 1997 a good idea? No. It's ridiculous.
Quoting: ageresExactly. Valve don't care about what gamers want anymore, just $$$. I appreciate what Gaben is doing for Linux, but let's get real: Valve is dead as a game development company.Way to miscontrue things. They do what they want and what they think is right. They've always done that. And if they would just want $$$ - they would just release Half-Life 3, because that guarantee millions of sales.