Quoting: EhvisSo if the game has to run on Windows (let's face it, Ubisoft did not suddenly make Linux/Vulkan port for this) and the client is a browser, where does Vulkan factor in? Even if Linux is in between there for the hosting side, I still don't see a role for Vulkan.

I guess that's why they either ported AC to Linux or use something like Steam Play. I seriously doubt that Google wants to use Windows/pay for their licenses. That's where Vulkan comes in.

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Quoting: ageresThey made no games since 2011 (I mean REAL games).

As if Artifact is no real game. Just because you don't like it or just listen to this dumb hate train?

Quoting: ageresIf they wanted to make one, they would have released it already.

How do you know? Thos things, they take time. TF2 was shown at E3 1999. Then nothing for 7 years.

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You know that's a dumb argument.

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Quoting: DuncI said “effectively”, and admit that wasn't a good way of putting it. But IceFrog was hired for Dota 2. What I meant was that it didn't originate at Valve, from a Valve creative team. Of course their own people did most of the work on it.

What is it always with discrediting Valve's work? Is TF2 not a Valve game, because Valve once hired Robin Walker? Is Portal not a Valve game, because some students came up with the portal concept and Valve then hired them? Is Left 4 Dead not a Valve game, because Turtle Rock Studios originally came up with the game?

How do you even define a Valve game? The guys (or most of them?) who founded Blizzard aren't with the company anymore. Is Overwatch thus not a Blizzard game?

Quoting: DuncBut even that was five years ago. Clearly their eyes have been off the ball. They've let a lot of developers, especially on the creative side, go over recent years. It's one of the reasons many fans have lost hope of ever seeing HL3 or Portal 3.

How are their eyes "clearly" off the ball when you literally have no idea what's going on behind the scenes? Yes, some people left, but also a lot of other people joined them. And some of the people that left actually returned to Valve.

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Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: ElectricPrism

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: ElectricPrismThe best way to survive is not to charge less money but to make people NEED you, and know that you are the only one they can get what they want from.

Bill Gates knows this well.

Their cut adjustment strategy seems fair but they should really push hard on developing their console that way they can own their own mountain of gamers giving their store even more value than it currently has as the major PC platform.

STEAM MACHINES 2.0 - LET IT COME.

How is that supposed to make sense? What would be different then?

Have you ever been to a business or timeshare vs going to a mall? The experience is completely different.

When you own the real estate, the gaming machines people go buy, and you own the store you dictate who they can buy software and games from. Companies control it because it's profitable.

Apple, Google, Microsoft, all know the difference between being the Player and being the Man.

I don't appreciate your vague response, I think you damn well knew what I meant but simple disagree and were too afraid to actually say: I disagree because of X reason, Y reason, and Z reason.

No, I don't really get what you're suggesting.

You WANT Valve to create a closed system like Xbox or Playstation? For what purpose? To lock out other developers like EA or ActivisionBlizzard?!

Are you saying you do NOT want Valve to create a closed system like Xbox or Playstation?

Of course not. That would be horrible and be against everything that Valve stands for. I can't believe I'm reading this on a Linux site.

And again, how is this even supposed to work when Steam runs on every Computer? Do you want Valve to exclude everyone that uses Steam now and force them to buy a "console"?

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Quoting: ElectricPrism

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: ElectricPrismThe best way to survive is not to charge less money but to make people NEED you, and know that you are the only one they can get what they want from.

Bill Gates knows this well.

Their cut adjustment strategy seems fair but they should really push hard on developing their console that way they can own their own mountain of gamers giving their store even more value than it currently has as the major PC platform.

STEAM MACHINES 2.0 - LET IT COME.

How is that supposed to make sense? What would be different then?

Have you ever been to a business or timeshare vs going to a mall? The experience is completely different.

When you own the real estate, the gaming machines people go buy, and you own the store you dictate who they can buy software and games from. Companies control it because it's profitable.

Apple, Google, Microsoft, all know the difference between being the Player and being the Man.

I don't appreciate your vague response, I think you damn well knew what I meant but simple disagree and were too afraid to actually say: I disagree because of X reason, Y reason, and Z reason.

No, I don't really get what you're suggesting.

You WANT Valve to create a closed system like Xbox or Playstation? For what purpose? To lock out other developers like EA or ActivisionBlizzard?!

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Quoting: Dunc

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: DuncThat's why abandoning game development to concentrate on Steam was a mistake.

What are you talking about?

It's true they didn't abandon it completely - maybe I should have said new game development - but Portal 2 is almost eight years old, and Left 4 Dead 2 is nine. Dota2 was effectively bought in, and TF2 hasn't seen a major update in a long while. It's pretty obvious that Steam has been the priority for the best part of a decade.

They LITERALLY just released a game this week. Dota 2 wasn't bought in. And just because you don't know what happens behind closed doors doesn't mean they aren't working on games. What else do you think those developers are doing?

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Quoting: ElectricPrismThe best way to survive is not to charge less money but to make people NEED you, and know that you are the only one they can get what they want from.

Bill Gates knows this well.

Their cut adjustment strategy seems fair but they should really push hard on developing their console that way they can own their own mountain of gamers giving their store even more value than it currently has as the major PC platform.

STEAM MACHINES 2.0 - LET IT COME.

How is that supposed to make sense? What would be different then?

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Quoting: DuncThat's why abandoning game development to concentrate on Steam was a mistake.

What are you talking about?

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: GuestHow did we go from this to it's a good game now? [External Link]

Why don't you just answer the question? And just because people were pissed when it was announced (when aren't people pissed anyway?), doesn't mean it's the same people that like the game now. And even if they are the same people... maybe they should reserve their judgment? Just answer the question.

Valve is more interested in following the money then listening to the community that they used to claim to give a crap about

It seems they are just another trepel ayeee company who does not care about the people that made steam/valve successful in the first place

So enjoy this card game over portal 3 left 4 dead 3 half life 3 or an entirely new ip that sets a new standard for game design
you know?
the thing that made half life 1 and in turn valve successful in the first place

So you will blatantly ignore everything I've said before?

nope enjoy the yet another card game
i will continue to expect better from a company that is more than capable of doing better

I have not played Artifact. I have no interest in Artifact. I doubt I will ever play Artifact.

You're just incredibly naive if you think that Artifact is everything Valve is working on and take it as evidence to shit on them.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: GuestHow did we go from this to it's a good game now? [External Link]

Why don't you just answer the question? And just because people were pissed when it was announced (when aren't people pissed anyway?), doesn't mean it's the same people that like the game now. And even if they are the same people... maybe they should reserve their judgment? Just answer the question.

Valve is more interested in following the money then listening to the community that they used to claim to give a crap about

It seems they are just another trepel ayeee company who does not care about the people that made steam/valve successful in the first place

So enjoy this card game over portal 3 left 4 dead 3 half life 3 or an entirely new ip that sets a new standard for game design
you know?
the thing that made half life 1 and in turn valve successful in the first place

So you will blatantly ignore everything I've said before?

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