Quoting: GoboYou are derailing the whole discussion, the article clearly states that this is not about HL3.

I never said it's about HL3. I literally said I'm baffled by people who think that HL3 will be a VR title. That's what people (like you) argued against.

Quoting: GoboAnd even your newest "argument" is pointless. HL2 dates back more than a decade, of course players are expected to bring new hardware to run a new title in the series. You are contradicting yourself.

You can't compare an accessoire to a new basis. Sony didn't release God of War 3 exclusively for the Playstation Move controller.

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Quoting: kuhpunktYou're derailing my argument, because you speak so much about the hardware. I'm speaking about HL3. That was the only thing I brought up.

If you want to look at the software independent of the hardware, all half-life titles would have to run on 1998 hardware.

Or as an analogy: you liked the Legend of Zelda game? Well, then you have to adopt new base hardware for every other title. If you owned a NES, there are only two titles the box is able to run. Want to play A Link to the Past or Link's Awakening? Either buy the newer consoles or miss out.

A VR headset is not a new console. A new console is the natural evolution.

Your analogy doesn't fit.

It would be like... you liked Uncharted 1-3 on the PS3? Great. Now we have the PS4 and Uncharted 4 will be on that, because the PS3 is too old. Natural evolution of hardware. Oh, you want to play Uncharted 5? Sorry, that's only on PSVR. Spend another couple of hundred bucks, so you will see where the story goes.

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Quoting: lelouchNo, exactly not. You deny to understand what I actually wrote about gaming, software, hardware, the industrie working mechanism. And that I see also, by you not getting the meaningless of being a HL3 or a Pre-HL2 VR or both or whatever. So please stop trolling now, I made the points very clear. My sparetime is too expensive to me for talking in circles about things everyone should get by their own.

In the end, believe that you want. I explained the whole thing more than once. Get it or not. Troll or not. Do a bit sports outdoors for fresh air.
I accept your appologies in 3 years, after you saw what valve will be really doing in the end.

h.a.n.d.

I'm not trolling. It's not meaningless. It's important.

Take Star Wars. Everybody gets to watch Episode 9 next year. Nobody gets excluded, because everybody just has to watch the movie. People just want to see how the story goes on. (Star Wars haters not included).

But there are exclusive canon Star Wars experiences in other formats. Some are VR only. That's fine. They expand the universe and it's not required to understand the main storyline.

Releasing HL3 only in VR would be the same as releasing Star Wars episode 9 not in cinemas, but only as a VR experience. That would be a huge "fuck you" to the audience.

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Quoting: lelouchNo, I speaking obviously about both - separated and in it's depends.

No, matter that - if pre-HL2 VR or "your" HL3 or both. Don't make yourself illusions. It't will be a VR-game and you don't want to or maybe cannot play it w/o VR.

So you deny that there's a difference between HL3 and a spin off prequel thingy in VR?

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Quoting: lelouchIt is speculation how long it will take. Neither you, nor I or anyone else can predict these things. Can be 6 months, 12m, 1year, 2y, 5y, 10y or even never if it takes to long and newer better technology throws its shadows or whatever else.
It seems you only can see the extremes. Look up the history or your memory of internet, smartphone, WLAN...
Before the mainstream knew smartphones exist, the hardware and software were already around 7 years in development, technology science research maybe even longer. Steam Controller was pretty fast ready in retrospective. Starcraft 1 (around 7 years) in the 1990s was on the other hand unbelievable long. And I don't talk from the subjective point of view.

You're derailing my argument, because you speak so much about the hardware. I'm speaking about HL3. That was the only thing I brought up.

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Quoting: kuhpunktI'm still baffled how many people think that HL3 would be a VR game. That makes no sense and would be a very very dumb idea.

No, it wouldn't. Obviously Valve is waiting for the right time - VR is affordable for everyone in the future like it was for smartphones (2007) at some point, and the internet and computers in the past and so on ....

So? That's still dumb. That's like making 2 movies and then releasing the third part of the story as a card game.

You make no sense - here is the talking about making a Story-FPS more immersive and moving to VR - nothing to do with a card game conversion lol.

But you would completely exclude everybody else from playing the game if they don't have this expensive accessorize. That would be nuts. Don't you get that?

No, "Don't you get that?"!!! The news above is about a new VR-Headset, explicitly it will be cheaper of course. And you thinking it will be released 'tomorrow'. *nuts*. You need patience.

Only a few had the first expensive smartphones and LED-TVs, too.

So hope you finally get it, that all others got, but not you, READ down below!:
Valve makes a new VR affordable for everyone, at some point specific in the future (NOT next week, NOT next month) they will release it, so the majority/enough will have VR. After that they will probably release some AAA-VR-games. And of course not 100% of all pc gamers will have the hardware, but e.g. 60-80% will and it will rise further with good games (not the 2h-VR-walking-games rubbish of today). That's enough. In Free-2-Play titles it's even enough for the companies that 1% buy things in-game with real money.
At the time HL2 came out, do you think my computer at this time could play it. Only a few had the hardware AND the internet for the new "steam client" force (w/o cracks).
In the 90s I bought a 200€ addon-card Diamond Monster 3D just for 1 game (plus 60€). (games were far better in the 90s - so everyone did it)
Valve doing a long term strategic plan.

It will take many years (even with a cheaper HMD) until there's a majority of people with VR. But that's not the point. The point is that a HL3 VR would exclude people who want to see how the story goes on. Doing that would be insane and nothing compared to the Diablo Immortal shitstorm - and even that wasn't really deserved, as it's just a spinoff/prequel and not Diablo 4.

That's the thing. What do you think would happen if Blizzard would release Diablo 4 only on phones?

And of course Valve will release more AAA VR titles to push VR. Using the Half Life brand to expand the universe is fine. I'm looking forward to that one very much. But they can't do that with HL3.

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Quoting: kuhpunktBut you would completely exclude everybody else from playing the game if they don't have this expensive accessorize. That would be nuts. Don't you get that?

It might help sell more expensive devices. Nobody knows if it would work out or not.

Help selling VR devices is one thing. Pissing off people by excluding them is another thing.

I'm talking about HL3. Not the proclaimed prequel. Huge difference.

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Quoting: kuhpunktI'm still baffled how many people think that HL3 would be a VR game. That makes no sense and would be a very very dumb idea.

No, it wouldn't. Obviously Valve is waiting for the right time - VR is affordable for everyone in the future like it was for smartphones (2007) at some point, and the internet and computers in the past and so on ....

So? That's still dumb. That's like making 2 movies and then releasing the third part of the story as a card game.

You make no sense - here is the talking about making a Story-FPS more immersive and moving to VR - nothing to do with a card game conversion lol.

But you would completely exclude everybody else from playing the game if they don't have this expensive accessorize. That would be nuts. Don't you get that?

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Quoting: kuhpunktI'm still baffled how many people think that HL3 would be a VR game. That makes no sense and would be a very very dumb idea.

No, it wouldn't. Obviously Valve is waiting for the right time - VR is affordable for everyone in the future like it was for smartphones (2007) at some point, and the internet and computers in the past and so on ....

So? That's still dumb. That's like making 2 movies and then releasing the third part of the story as a card game.

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Quoting: dannielloHalf-Life VR? I want to be wrong, but it could be disaster comparable only to Diablo Immortal. It is not what Half-Life fans want! At least they informed us about it before official announcement, so perhaps expectations will be reduced.

But why not? It would be like Doom VFR. A spin off, that's not required, not a sequel and integral part of the story. HL3 only for VR would be a disaster, but something else in the HL universe? I'm waiting.

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