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Quoting: hardpenguinWhile I understand the point of the concerns over intrusive anti-cheat solution, the problem stands. I would rather play one of the most popular video games in the world on Linux thanks to Proton than to use Windows. And so would many other Linux gamers.

Wine and Proton are not kernel drivers. But what if you had to run a binary kernel module of unknown origin before you could do that. Would you still be willing?

Yup.

I personally wouldn't.

Quoting: hardpenguinI would like to remind you that EVERY APPLICATION YOU RUN on your computer has potential to do anything malicious to you, either intentionally or through a backdoor or vulnerability.

That's not the same as giving them the keys to your kingdom. How many people and developers would you trust with your root password?

Quoting: hardpenguinYou don't trust closed source software? There are open source projects with vulnerabilities discovered years after damage was silently done.

I don't. That applies to closed source software as well. I especially don't trust gaming companies to maintain their games a few years after release.

Quoting: hardpenguinYou don't run unknown low level or root applications? Through X server, every application you use can read 100% of your input and what is on your screen, without the need for root access.

That's part of the reason we're phasing down X. I've personally been 100% on wayland for more than 3 years. `sudo` should be used sparingly too.

Quoting: hardpenguinAnd I am pretty sure you do not run 100% of your applications in containers either.

I do run all proprietary software either in a container (flatpaked steam) or as a dedicated system user.

Quoting: hardpenguinYou do not run Wireshark analysis of your network traffic 100% of the time. And since you use Linux, you probably do not have an antivirus either. No detection of any sorts of suspicious network activity or webcam, microphone being silently turned on.

Look, I am not saying that privacy-focused approach makes no sense. I am saying that it all boils down to some risk and at least a little trust.

Fine, I don't actively monitor these things. However some of my network use a pi-hole, and I'd investigate anything suspicious. Giving the rights to install a kernel module is not a little trust. It's giving complete, unsupervised, remote access to your system to some third party that is not audited by anyone, and giving your blessing to upload random files, screenshots and memory snapshots from your computer (by design) to some server that probably has lax security practices.

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Quoting: HoolyI think so too, they are probably using an A/B-model, which means that you have two installations of the OS at every time
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Or they use btrfs-subvolumes and allocate storage dynamically.

Not exactly, they run on ostree, like Fedora Silverblue. It's a bit like a git repo, or guix/nix. It has deduplication, rollback, versioning, atomic updates. That's really promising tech, I'd have picked the same.

Let's try to come up with a basic estimate

• Base Arch Install: 100 MiB


• LLVM plus mesa: 300 MiB


• Web browser: 200 MiB


• Steam: 300 MiB


• Proton: 600 MiB


• KDE Plasma plus base KDE applications: 2 GiB


• Base Flatpak runtimes (freedesktop.org, VAAPI, mesa): 700 MiB

Total: 4.2 GiB. I'm falling short, but there could be more pre-installed software like Discord, plus probably a boot partition (might be a btrfs subvolume, not sure which FS they use), and possibly a "system restore" partition that might double the size, although I would personally make that a webinstall at about 150MiB.

Any other ideas?

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Quoting: mphuZStrange. Stadia itself looks good. It's just that Google has fallen into the same trap as everyone else - no one wants to give up their Steam library.

Meh, more like nobody wants to invest money in a system that can be shutdown next year, like countless other google services.

Gaming isn't central to google, it's a side project, like everything besides search (and now, compute). Users understand this, developers too (as shown by the lack of enthusiasm about stadia among studios).

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Quoting: elgatilIs [streaming] the future though? Some years ago I would have agreed but now I am not so sure.

My point is graphical performance is growing faster than game graphical requirements to the point of having a laptop SoC capaple of running every non-VR game through an emulation layer at 720p (Of course, I am taking of the Steam Deck). So, right now it would be arguable the need of a streaming service hardware-wise (even less in the near feature).

Interesting take. Will Bandwidth grow faster than processing power in the future? Time will tell, but I wouldn't bet on it. Especially given that latency is incompressible due to the speed of light, and VR requires low latency.

I wonder the same about energy costs. Both computing and transmission cost will become progressively lower. However it's easier to upgrade computing to 8K than it is for transmission equipment, unless you have dark fiber everywhere.

Some game can probably move to streaming, but others will definitely require local compute power (embedded, or close to a datacenter).
We can also expect hybrids, where some physics calculations are performed in datacenters, for instance. I think something like this exists already on consoles, probably with battlefield.

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Quoting: elmapulmaybe those emulators require some processor instructions to work, and i dont have then...
i cant remember the games i was trying to run, can you test pokemon tcg online?

Aurora store tells me "app not supported". I guess that's because I run x86 Android. While it's true some apps won't be supported, most should be. I don't know whether that app would run on an x86 chromebook or windows...

ARM emulation should be possible with qemu at a performance cost though...

Edit: looks like it's possible, haven't attempted it though: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/rel2bf/guide_for_android_emulation_on_linux/ [External Link]

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MayeulCDisgusting...

Quoting: elmapulnow we have better android emulators on windows than on linux, microsoft is making windows run android games and even google is trying to do the same.

Oh, waydroid works relatively well. And there's interest in it thanks to the linux-on-mobiles effort (pinephone, librem5 etc).

define works, i heard the same about some emulator but never was able to find any app that it was capable of runing (not that it would matter to find an app if the ones i need dont work anyway)

To make sure, I just installed it trough the AUR (I'm already running a zen kernel). Installed F-Droid, checked that supertuxkart worked (I'm getting in-game, but don't have touch), then as I thought you might not be satisfied, I downloaded the Aurora store from F-Droid, then Excel and power point from there. Seems to work fine, although it's a bit fiddly and not well-integrated (I don't have a desktop environment, just sway, so that's not too bad, I guess a DE could integrate better). Microsoft's apps require me to sign in to create a new file so I just downloaded one from there [External Link].

It looks like the Android UI assumes it works fullscreen. I can't really blame it. Permission mapping could be better too.

I didn't find an app that doesn't work, but then even on my phone I only use apps from F-Droid. Obviously I expect low-level apps like wifi analyzer, miracast, etc to be mostly broken for now.

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Disgusting...

Quoting: elmapulnow we have better android emulators on windows than on linux, microsoft is making windows run android games and even google is trying to do the same.

Oh, waydroid works relatively well. And there's interest in it thanks to the linux-on-mobiles effort (pinephone, librem5 etc).

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Quoting: Rafii2198Does it only work with official launcher? Or can I use 3rd party launcher like MultiMC just fine?

As long as the executable is called minecraft-launcher it should work, AFAIK? You can force it on or off if you want, as highlighted in the article.

I have to test whether it helps minetest or not.

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Nice :D

I tried playing this game a while back (2013-ish), but got busted by the "copy protection" scheme that asks you to look stuff up in a manual. IIRC there was no manual in Bethesda's website download...

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Sounds like a RTS/FPS hybrid like Natural Selection (first [External Link] or second one [External Link] or Nuclear Dawn [External Link]?

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