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By now most people in the Linux sphere will have seen the issues - like how they have repeatedly let their SSL certificate expire bringing their entire website down. Something that is easily solved, but shows how the structure behind Manjaro is not particularly stable.
On the Manjaro Linux official forum, their team have put up a "Manjaro 2.0 Manifesto" with backing from multiple developers and people on their community team. They say that the leadership behind Manjaro does not line up with the actual developers and community involved in it, noting that Manjaro has become "one individual's personal project, and everything is centralized around this single individual" (the founder, Philip Müller) and how the attempts to turn it into a business have mostly failed and so they want to see big changes.
The Manjaro Project has been declining over the past decade. It managed to sustain a sizable user base, yet it stagnated, lost trust, lost almost all of its contributors, and even became a laughingstock for repeatedly making the same mistakes and never even attempting to address these known issues.
Manjaro 2.0 Manifesto
What do they want? To split off Manjaro into two distinct entities: the company behind Manjaro (Manjaro GmbH & Co KG) and a new non-profit registered association (e.V.). Along with lots of the project being transferred over to the non-profit org.
Going by the latest update they say the Manjaro founder, Philip Müller, is currently stalling things and so all those in favour of the proposal appear to be going on some sort of strike. And they may be looking to lock the entire official forum down until they get Müller on board.
Manjaro has been pretty messy for years, so it's nice to see some of their team and community are attempting to rebuild things with a stronger foundation.
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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TheLinuxPleb 5 hours ago
Same goes with CachyOS. There can be breakage happening on those much more easy.
Something that is Arch and postpones updates and have testing for those is much wanted IMO.
Ive been basically years with Manjaro and it has been rock solid for me. Would be sad to see it go.
inlinuxdude 5 hours ago
fenglengshun 5 hours ago
What made me stop was the way they removed, restored, and then removed some codecs without adequate dialogue and then not mentioning it in the updates announcement. Between that, and the various management mishaps, I just chose to move to Universal Blue, then Bazzite, and now CachyOS.
I think their community is right in wanting to break away, though I would say making a new distro without the associated branding of Manjaro that is just toxic now.
But now that I'm on CachyOS with its built-in Snapper/BTRFS integration, I have that comfort anyway. If I do an update and my system has issues, I just reboot and choose the snapshot before the upgrade via Grub. Easy.
I still miss Pamac though. I haven't looked to see if it's portable to a generic Arch install.
I hope Manjaro get their organisational ducks in a row. It would be great to see what they could achieve without constantly having to fight internally with each other.
Quoting: pbMy son is on manjaro and his system breaks on every update. But apparently arch is "too complicated". 😆You're exaggerating, don't you? ^^
Like many others, It works pretty well for me and I'm using it for 10+ years, so pretty stable in my eyes. Usually when it breaks it's my fault, not really Manjaro's. I'm on XFCE, it seems to be the most stable of all, the KDE folks did have some issues more than once though.
I hope positivity comes out of this, I'm happy with Manjaro and don't plan to change right now.
Quoting: CyrilMaybe a bit. 😇 But he's updating 1-2 times a year and there are always some conflicts and I need to help him fix it. ;-) Last time I rebuilt the mirror list so hopefully the next update will go more smoothly.Quoting: pbMy son is on manjaro and his system breaks on every update. But apparently arch is "too complicated". 😆You're exaggerating, don't you? ^^
buckysrevenge 2 hours ago
At this point my laptop is old and I barely use it for gaming, so I'm not keen on it having closer to cutting edge kernels and drivers. Most of my regular software is through Flatpak so I'm really only dependent on Manjaro for security and desktop environment updates anyway. If I need to switch to a new distro, I won't be very picky as long as updates keep downtime very low since my wife generally uses the laptop now because she likes the big screen.
Quoting: scaineI still miss Pamac though. I haven't looked to see if it's portable to a generic Arch install.it's available via the AUR. pamac-all is probably the one you want
Nowadays, I'm very happy with Fedora.
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