Quoting: lejimsterHas any of this Futex stuff ever made it upstream? It seems like every year there is some attempt, but it never makes its way into the Kernel.

The kernel cadence is a new version every two months, so more often than that 😝

I can see their point that they want to get their use case sorted for their use case, particularly before December, and they don't want to be bogged down by the kitchen sink nice-to-have stuff that people want, but I hope the design of the changes that get made doesn't prevent the kitchen sink stuff in the future. We don't want to have to have a futex3.

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Quoting: NeverthelessInteresting! Maybe I should try Kubunto, or Manjaro..

There's certainly no harm in trying. I think I probably had to use nomodeset for the installer (Pop having an installer with the Nvidia driver already installed is a great idea) but that was it. My (Intel) laptop had Cinnamon on (which I'd been using there for quite a while), but that got swapped out for KDE almost immediately after I'd tried KDE on my desktop.

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Quoting: NeverthelessI would be maybe.. but somehow I have the feeling KDE and Nvidia aren't friends...
Even the installation of Fedora KDE crashes all the time for me.

KDE on Nvidia's been perfectly fine for me since I started using it ~three years ago.

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Quoting: subDamn, why don't we already see a (real) Doom 2016/Eternal port? :D

No matter how good it runs with Proton. id Software, even if
not the same company anymore, had a tradition of Linux ports.
Now they're getting show cased a lot with Steam Deck.

Come on guys. Get us a port already.

Zenimax said no, after they bought id. I'm not sure that they're that likely to change their minds on developing for Linux now that they're owned by Microsoft.

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Quoting: Loftywhy ?

People have been trying to replicate the rough performance of the Steam Deck on existing hardware. When they've done so, they've found that using Linux gives better performance than using Windows. The review of the Onexplayer suggested that the Windows interface just wasn't that great without a keyboard and mouse. Windows updates are apparently brutal.

At that point im not sure what more valve could do anyway for those kinds of people.

Until they do whatever it is, they're essentially a Microsoft subsidiary.

Pre-installed Linux gaming is the product here, and the hardware is just the delivery vehicle. If Microsoft pulled the plug on them, for whatever reason, Valve need to find a way to keep their customers; that's their driving motivation.

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Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: jrtI was very positively surprised by the LTT video. He didn't mention "installing Windows" or the current anticheat situation.
I think it's great that we are at a point where people can be hyped about a Desktop Linux device without a constant "but it would be better with windows".

Agree this is a real plus so far. I still kind of expect a tidal wave of YT videos on how to install windows, but if this trend continues and people stick to using Linux on the device then this really could be a watershed moment for Linux desktop adoption.

I can honestly see some vendors shipping laptops installed with SteamOS-3.0 and the KDE desktop enabled as default in future.

I expect those videos to end with "Windows on this device kinda sucks." But if people install Windows on it and genuinely prefer it, good for them. That's exactly what I'd want for installing Linux on all my computers. If it turns out that Valve haven't made Linux gaming compelling enough for the masses, so their customers are going to go through the hassle of installing fresh Windows on a device that comes with a different OS, then they aren't safe from Microsoft and they need to Linux harder.

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Quoting: SolitaryBut Steam Deck can be much more then just small PC,... there is already talks about resuming gameplay on a different device, or ability to quickly switch between multiple games when using Steam Deck, all of that might be easier done if the game can communicate with the device. I mean we can only speculate what that API could do, but I doubt it's only for getting specs, even though just that would also be good. This device can only get better if the games don't treat it as "any other PC" where it doesn't even try to meet halfway and take into account the desired handheld/console-like experience.

So a game dev wants to ensure a polished and friction-free experience for their Steam Deck customers? That's swell. So which customers shouldn't get a polished and friction-free experience? All other customers using Wine? All other low-res customers? All other Steam customers?

If I'm using an Aya Neo, should I not get consideration just because I'm using Windows? If I'm running SteamOS on a low-res laptop, or a low-performance high-res laptop that's using integer scaling, and for sure I'm using a controller because gaming on a laptop sucks donkey balls, should I not get consideration because I can't hold the thing in my hands?

What about In-Home Streaming? Does that count as is on a deck because of the low-res screen and input method, or as isn't on a deck because of the massive power?

We've seen this dance before. Nvidia cards spoofed as AMD because game devs assume a particular manufacturer means certain functions will be available always. There being no Windows 9 because devs assumed that the string "Windows 9" could only ever refer to either Windows 95 or Windows 98. Faking the OpenGL version number because no number could ever be that long.

We need less of that jank, not a whole new generation. The more I think about it, the more terrible an idea it seems.

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There's a few more you can find around and it seems when PC Gamer spoke to Valve, they confirmed that there will be some new API that developers will be able to hook into that will tell games if they're being run on the Steam Deck. That sounds really good, as at least then developers can ensure their game will look good on the smaller screen, and gives developers a chance to set some automatic graphics settings for the best experience.

I'd actually rather devs didn't do this. There is a whole spectrum of performance characteristics that don't fit into the is on a deck or isn't on a deck boxes. If they need to know the resolution, capabilities, or speed, of the hardware they're running on for their game to work properly check for those things.

Also, Valve have said that they want other manufacturers to make their own handheld computers running SteamOS in the future. Those are going to have different characteristics. Where are they going to fit in the is a steam deck binary?

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From what's been shown, I'm pretty glad our unit has been reserved at the top-end for the anti-glare etched glass which very clearly makes quite a noticeable difference.

For my part, I didn't pick the higher model for the glass or the extra storage. The biggest, prettiest games I'm going to be playing on my gaming rig or streaming from my gaming rig, so storage isn't that big a deal. I strongly suspect that they're making a loss on the cheapest SKU, and only really breaking even on the middle one. Since I'd like everyone selling good Linux hardware to make a profit from doing so, so that they keep doing it, the highest option was an easy choice.

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Quoting: gradyvuckovicAnd with the Steam Deck, you could even develop handheld games on a handheld gaming device! With Linux!

Valve did have Blender running on the docked Deck when they got journalists in to do their hands-on.

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