Quoting: Purple Library GuyRather, in real life there seem to have been many efforts to give X upgrades and overhauls to deal with various issues, and the developers finally hit a wall where they didn't see any way forward except to start fresh. I'm not a techie, but on a non-techie level I've been following all this for many years, and it seems the problem is that how applications, graphics cards and their drivers and so on want to interact with screens has changed a lot since X was first written; the whole paradigm just doesn't apply any more and getting it to pretend gradually became kludge upon kludge upon kludge.

Yep, pretty much.

X was state of the art in 1984. For comparison, the GPU as we understand it now was invented some 15 years later.

The biggest change is how multiple windows are combined - composited - to create something that's drawn on a screen. That's an extension for X rather than part of the main thing - support for bitmapped fonts and being able to draw dashed lines are part of the main thing - but it's where all the actual work is done. And the other parts of the functionality of X have changed, too: input handling is completely different now, and throwing bitmaps over the network is not really terribly efficient.

So Wayland makes the compositor the central part, uses more relevant input and output handing, and gets rid of the network stuff entirely.

There are aspects of Wayland's design, implementation, and history that, in my view, have hampered its adoption and desirability. But it's what we've got, since Mir didn't take off and X is no longer fit for purpose, so we have to make the best of it.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: redneckdrowIs there any reason to use Wayland other than the perception of security for the end user?

X is entirely and completely unmaintained. Its known flaws will never be fixed; flaws discovered in the future will never be fixed. The people that used to work on it don't want to any more, and only work on Wayland now. Xorg 1.21 hasn't been released because there's no one interested enough to do so. It's kicked the bucket, shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain, and joined the choir invisible.

This . . . is an ex-X!

"X.parrot Server" occurred to me after I'd hit the Post button.

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Quoting: redneckdrowIs there any reason to use Wayland other than the perception of security for the end user?

X is entirely and completely unmaintained. Its known flaws will never be fixed; flaws discovered in the future will never be fixed. The people that used to work on it don't want to any more, and only work on Wayland now. Xorg 1.21 hasn't been released because there's no one interested enough to do so. It's kicked the bucket, shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain, and joined the choir invisible.

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Quoting: scaineBut instead, he's just back and that's it? Okay then. As I say, FSF can get in the bin alongside him. Some will support this move - fine. I just don't. It hurts free software, it drives women away in particular and I don't want to be associated with any of it.

There's a reason the labs at MIT are full of plants.

The FSF have rendered themselves completely irrelevant by their continued association with rms. The Free Software movement will continue to be championed by, say,

3NSoft
Aaru Data Preservation Suite
Calyx Institute
Ceccun
CH Open
CommitChange
Creative Commons
Cusy
Data + Feminism Lab, MIT
DataMade
Dot HQ
Echap
Espen Gottschal (Norway)
Exercism
Exherbo Linux
Exodus Privacy
EZPZSoftware
Ferrous Systems GmbH
Fivnex
Framasoft
Freedom of the Press Foundation
GlobaLeaks
Globenet
GNOME Foundation
GNU Mailman
GNU Radio
Great Scott Gadgets
Innatical
Kludge Cyber Systems
LineageOS
May First Movement Technology
Metaform
MidnightBSD Project
MousePaw Media
Mozilla
OBS Project
Open Life Science
Open Observatory of Network Interference (OONI)
Open Source Collective
Open Source Diversity
OpenTelemetry
Organization for Ethical Source
Outreachy
Palante Technology Cooperative
Progressive Technology Project
Public Laboratory for Open Technology and Science
RACTF
Radial Source
Riseup Networks
Sanctuary Computer
Solidaires Informatique
SumoStack
SUSE
TEN7
The FreeDOS Project
The HardenedBSD Foundation / The HardenedBSD Project
The Linux Experiment
Tor Project
Velvetyne – Libre and Open Source Foundry
wiquaya.org
X.org Foundation
April
Document Foundation
EFF
Fedora Council
FSFE
KDE
May First Movement Technology
Mixxx
OpenUK
Organization for Ethical Source
OSI
Outreachy
OW2
Public Laboratory for Open Technology and Science
Red Hat
Software Freedom Conservancy
Solidaires Informatique

and the rest of us will try to minimise the harm done by the FSF.

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Quoting: PopeRigbyWhy is the percentage of Linux sales so huge?

It's higher than you might naively expect by the market share on Steam because they actually did marketing amongst the Linux crowd, rather than simply pressing the "build for Linux" button and throwing it over the wall unannounced (and untested) like a distressing number of devs do.

It's high percentage-wise on Humble because they had a sale on Humble at the same time as they announced the release of the Linux version.

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Quoting: mike456Why XWayland and not Wayland? What's the difference? I want to use Wayland for the enhanced security as soon as possible.

XWayland is for running X applications (so approximately all games, and legacy applications) on Wayland.

Wayland on Nvidia works approximately fine with some compositors (with the known Nvidia and Wayland issues) but XWayland on Nvidia wasn't hardware accelerated, which makes it not terribly useful. This work is to enable hardware acceleration for XWayland.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeNot that I am a huge Redhat fan, but they do seem to finance a huge majority of the Linux projects in some way.

Red Hat makes about $ 4 billion a year. The next biggest AFAIK, SUSE, only makes about $ 450 million. If Red Hat weren't using their money to fund stuff, that would really suck.

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Quoting: AkonadyThis game has so many DLCs, that is just stupid.

Six Seven (now) are new locations, and three are new types of cargo. All the rest are just cosmetic things that you aren't going to get unless you really want your trucks painted in your national flag, say, or want to specifically support the developers for maintaining the game for a decade.

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Quoting: DerpFoxJust to be sassy, I've never heard of that case. Really, first time I hear about it. That's also why I love this website it talks about that kind of things.

There are more details about the ruling and some of the history of the case here [External Link], for those that are interested.

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Quoting: The_Aquabatyou are missing the point. @CatKiller

Then I'm really not sure what your point is. If it's that Liam could have put "US" in the opening paragraph or headline, then I've already agreed with that. If it's that Liam probably should have put "US" in the opening paragraph or headline, then I've already agreed with that, too. If it's that Liam must put "US" in the opening paragraph or headline, for a widely-known and infamous US case, then I don't agree, because it's already widely-known and infamous.

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