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I haven't checked the numbers, but it seems likely that Steam sells more DRM-free Linux games than GOG.

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Quoting: GuestOne thing that came to my mind. If steam OS is the official supported OS, that comes preinstalled, does this means that running Windows, voids your warranty or you just cannot ask for support?, like you are in your own if you do that?

It's not going to void your warranty - if it breaks, you'll still be able to send it in to them for it to be fixed or whatever - and they're going to make sure that they aren't blocking having Windows on the thing, by making sure that drivers are available and everything, because that's an important part of building customer confidence in it. But if you muck up your Windows install in some way, or there's some other software problem, or it just doesn't run very well with Windows on it, the official answer will be to put SteamOS back on it, since that's how it shipped. The vast majority of Valve's customers are going to be running Windows for a heck of a long time, even if the Deck sells astonishingly well, so there will be plenty of Steam-on-Windows expertise floating about, just not necessarily much Windows-on-Deck expertise.

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Quoting: EikeDo we already no if "recommended_runtime: proton-stable" would result in ordinary Linux PCs using Proton by default as well?

We don't know for sure that they won't do that in the future, but there's no compelling reason to. That kind of decision for normal PCs would be down to the developer.

*edit* Interestingly, the first game I looked up (Life is Strange 2) does not have a "recommened_runtime" set...
https://steamdb.info/app/532210/info/ [External Link]

The earliest tests didn't have that information. Then there was a period where they were forgetting to test the native version (which they've now fixed & have put the affected games back into the testing queue).

*edit2*
Yet another very interesting thing, also for Windows only gamers! "requires_internet_for_singleplayer"!

Not enough to stop a game getting Verified, but it does show up as a warning in the store.

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Also of interest is that HL2 gets the recommended_runtime: native attribute, unlike Portal 2 (currently).

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Quoting: TheBardMost games runs better on proton than natively.

[citation needed]

Note that there are 9,612 [External Link] native games on Steam today, so you need to show that at least 4,807 of them work better through Proton on all hardware.

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Quoting: whizseThey are still focusing on testing games owned by Deck reservation holders right? So I guess peoples Steam libraries are quite random?

Oh, that's an interesting thought. Did Valve say that somewhere? Would make a lot of sense.

I think they mentioned it with the initial Deck Verified announcement, and Lawrence Yang talked about it during the dev conference, (with the implication that it's using playtime, wishlists, and upcoming games where there's lots of playtime for previous games, from people that have or have ordered the Deck) but it's wrapped up in the documentation [External Link] as games that are "important to Steam Deck customers."

When Valve identifies a game as important to Steam Deck customers, we may sometimes add games to the review queue with no need for you to submit a manual request. You'll receive a notification when this happens.

There's also a more generic "heuristics" route for a game getting on the testing list, and at developer request.

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Quoting: HoriI would guess that the version of Proton they tested them with is way ahead the publicly released versions. That's just an assumption though.

Not way ahead, but ahead. The testing report that they send to devs specifies the Proton version, and one that was made public showed that it was using Proton 7.0-1 before that was released to everyone.

What I suspect they'll do, because it's what I'd do, is only verify against the latest internal non-experimental version (because experimental is a moving target) then set the game to use that verified version of Proton in the game's manifest so that everyone uses that automatically. If the game gets retested (because of an update or whatever) verify against the new latest non-experimental version, and update the manifest to refer to that version if it passes. Games that are in flux get the benefits of Proton improvements over time, and unchanging games get the version of Proton that it's known works. While minimising the combinatorial problem of testing every game against every version of Proton forever.

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Quoting: CyrilI'm not usually much on that side, but I think Proton, in this case, just killed the Linux release and a studio who has been a great Linux friendly from the past 10 years.
It's a bit heartbreaking.

In this case, I think it was more that Epic killed the Linux release (as seems to have happened with other games). Supergiant's previous Linux versions were done by Ethan Lee rather than as multiplatform development with in-house expertise, and what's the point of contracting out for that when your game's Epic-exclusive & Epic don't sell Linux games?

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Quoting: slaapliedjeReally the thing that could prevent normal Linux users from playing Deck games is if the controller was very much tied to the inputs the Deck has, which is similar, but not quite the same as say the Steam Controller. So there is always the potential of 'plays best with X controller' type thing.

Valve are also covering that aspect. Your game needs the touchscreen or the invoke-keyboard button (which other controllers don't have)?: no green checkmark for you.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyYou'd think just saying, like the developers of that one game with an article today (um, Thumper) did, that it's supported on Steam Deck but not on Linux generally, would be enough to deal with that, without going to the trouble of actually blocking people from using your game.

For sure, and as more developers follow Valve's guidance of installing and using actual Linux to test with I think there won't even be much of that as time goes on. But game devs in particular do find themselves drawn to This One Weird Trick and are often pressed for time.

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