Quoting: GuestRadeonSI 9 impresses... wow.. what the hell? It's massively outperforming even Nvidia's driver in some cases.

This might be a bit confusing, but nine isn't in any way part of or tied to radeonsi. Nine is a Mesa Gallium Direct3D 9 tracker, providing native support for this Windows graphics API for the open source, mesa-based Linux drivers. The proprietary drivers are not based on mesa's gallium, so they cannot make use of this tracker. My point is, this combination of nine and radeonsi is awesome, but only for running older windows games with wine.

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Quoting: tuubiUnless we don't have the budget or the skills to do it all. If we think we've still got something to give to the gaming public, we absolutely should try our best. Maybe we might even make enough money so that our next masterpiece might appeal to an even broader audience with its technical whizbangery and state-of-the-art visuals.

Ok hold on for a minute: You are one of the indie game companies? I was not aware of that, I thought you spoke as a regular gamer. Had I known that I'd never express myself this undiplomatic. Please accept my apologies.

Heh, no, I'm not. Not that I never thought of it, but boring old business software development keeps us busy enough. Anyway, I just kept the "we" from your previous sentence:

Quoting: BeamboomThen it's outdated and cheap and could (should!) have been made better - cause now we can.

Reading my post now does kinda leave the impression that I was getting a bit defensive. :whistle: Maybe I was, but what I was defending was low budget indies with great ideas and content, not myself.

And apologies to everyone else for my part in taking this so far off topic, once again.

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Quoting: tuubiA great game is a great game, even if it could have been made ten or twenty years ago.

Then it's outdated and cheap and could (should!) have been made better - cause now we can.

Unless we don't have the budget or the skills to do it all. If we think we've still got something to give to the gaming public, we absolutely should try our best. Maybe we might even make enough money so that our next masterpiece might appeal to an even broader audience with its technical whizbangery and state-of-the-art visuals.

Don't take me for a nostalgia freak with a stiffy for all things retro. I love me some eye candy, but if I have to choose between an old-looking game with great writing and gameplay, or the latest blockbuster with prettier-than-life visuals and groan-inducingly mediocre everything else, I don't have to think twice.

Now, what we consider good writing is naturally a matter of taste, but I find that most big-budget stuff these days suffers from an obvious case of Hollywood-style writing-by-committee. If the rest of the game is great fun, I don't mind that much of course. I'd buy stuff like SoM and Saints' Row IV in a heartbeat if only I weren't broke. Hell, even the open world stuff Ubisoft puts out if they released them on Linux, even if these games seem to be pretty much perfect text book examples of pandering to the lowest common denominator.

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Quoting: tuubiYou're seriously missing out if you pick your games based on their budget, but that's your prerogative. Naturally the game is even more enjoyable if it also looks and sounds nice, but these are just potential cherries on the cake, not the cake itself.

I haven't picked my games based on the budget. You simply can't be a Linux gamer if you do that. I've never played more indie games than the last couple of years. But during those years I've discovered my expectations are higher than what's been on offer on the cheap indie scene. I know I can get both - so why settle with less?

You don't have to, but if you don't, you'll be playing a lot of mediocre stuff with pretty visuals and missing out on some gems. Feel free to disagree.

Quoting: BeamboomWhy sit there with Microsoft Paint if you can use Photoshop. Why read cheap digital novels written by amateurs when you can purchase great work published by professional houses. Why sit there with an old Casio keyboard when you can enjoy the full suite of Bitwig.

None of these are very good analogues. Especially the middle one about cheap digital novels.

Quoting: BeamboomTo care about the presentation doesn't mean you don't care about the content. But to excuse everything else if only you get a great story... Well then, buy a good book?

I buy a book when I want to read a book, but isn't it a bit disingenuous to suggest I fail to see the difference? I love games, but obviously enjoy different aspects of gaming than you do. Please don't be that guy and act like your way is the only way.

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Quoting: BeamboomOk - I'm realizing you're the kind who thinks everything was better before (no offence intended).

I don't think he is. It's just that we think content is more important than presentation. But I'm quite sure it's just a basic difference in what we enjoy and look for in a game. And I say we, as I find it very easy to identify with Keyrock based on his side of the conversation.

In any case, A great game is a great game, even if it could have been made ten or twenty years ago. You're seriously missing out if you pick your games based on their budget, but that's your prerogative. Naturally the game is even more enjoyable if it also looks and sounds nice, but these are just potential cherries on the cake, not the cake itself.

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Quoting: melkemindIt's a shame. Up until now, VP's ports had been getting better each time with near-Windows performance. This one is seriously low by comparison, almost back to the Witcher 2 levels.

Not all D3D code is equally wrapper-friendly. Any inefficient design in the original code is very likely to perform even worse when run through another translation layer. And anything that heavily relies on API-specific quirks or pecularities might force the wrapper to do tons of extra work.

So no matter how well eON or wine perform on select titles, you'll always get disappointments like this to even it all out. Nothing against VP, just pointing out once again that the approach does and always will have its limitations. But it is cost-effective.

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Quoting: lvlarkCan only speak for myself, but I'm not insulted when people choose to use Linux in other ways. I'm insulted when they indicate using AMD is a stupid option.

Please do. Someone calling you stupid is an actual insult. Someone choosing not to test and write about a particular piece of software is not.

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Quoting: XzylI'm insulted this site never tests nvidia with the open drivers they're getting really good. Linux is about choice and openness and these Windows refugee clowns love to thump their e-peens about >60 fps or a 10~20 fps difference above it...

Yes. Choice is good. Yet you feel personally insulted when people choose to use Linux in ways you don't support. Go figure...

Go refugees!

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Quoting: GuestIt was supposedly near complete many months ago, and its foundation was on a complete API (Mantle). I don't believe this new announcement.

I'm not in the least bit surprised. This is simply what happens when multiple large companies try to get something done together. Nothing happens quickly. And besides, I'd rather there's a nigh-perfect set of tools for validation and testing at launch to ensure a smooth start for the API. A month or two won't mean a thing in the end.

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Quoting: GuestI do hope that when it's ready, whenever that may be, FOSS drivers won't be far behind. An open standard isn't too open if FOSS drivers don't get a seat at the table during development.

A proof-of-concept open source Intel driver has already been demoed months ago. And if AMD doesn't come up with an implementation in their FOSS drivers, you've really got to doubt their supposed priorities. NVIDIA? Heh.

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Quoting: reaVerCan we please not brand this game as controversial? I don't think we should be sending the developers the hint that we're (in any way related) to feminists.

WTF? The controversy surrounding this game has very little to do with gender equality. And please don't troll. GOL tends to quickly close any thread that devolves into a flamefest, and you very well know this topic is very efficient at lighting the spark.

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I've never really gotten into fighters since SF2 on the Amiga. I do recognize how big of a brand this is though. So woo I guess.

What I really wanna see from Capcom is some Ace Attorney goodness. Fat chance, I know. :'(

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