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Quoting: scaineGod I hate Microsoft products so much. My entire professional life has been cursed to limit their awfulness.

Quoting: tuubiI'm not going to debate this any further, simply because this is too close to stuff I have to worry about at work. Windows is bleak enough to think about even when I'm being paid for it.

Quite ironic how you guys seem to work with Windows way more than I do and loath it. Meanwhile I've been working exclusively with Linux for the past 8 years-ish and have a lot of beef to pick with its permission management. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side. I'll admit my initial statement is probably exaggerated in retrospect and should be read more along the line of "Windows also has had permission management comparable to what's found on Linux for a long time".

You got that wrong, actually. At least in my case. Personally I'm a lot more familiar with the Linux side, seeing as I've been using Linux for more than two decades now, for work and everything else. I do have to worry about this sort of stuff professionally (at the policy level), but I rely on research and the input of coworkers with Windows expertise when I need to. I've never been one to hide my biases, but my request for clarification was in good faith.

Anyway, your new phrasing is more palatable.

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Quoting: nenoroPeople are waiting for a new Broken Sword not a remake god damn...

A new game is in the works as whizse mentions above, but apparently people are waiting for remakes as well if they're willing to back a kickstarter for 400k.

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Quoting: tuubiHow are these Windows permission management features much better than their Linux equivalents? Are there relevant studies, or maybe some solid metrics you used to rank them yourself? Or did you base your claim on something else entirely?

POSIX ACLs use the group permission as mask, this means non-ACL-aware programs can completely screw up permissions by changing what they believe to be something different. It is also impossible to set a default ACL that allows traversing directories but not executing files. There is also very little support for ACLs, you're pretty much stuck with "setfacl". Meanwhile, on Windows, you get a complete and robust tool by right clicking any file/folder.

It gets worse if you try to manage permissions over a large group of devices. Windows has Active Directory, on Linux you can sort of achieve something similar by slapping together LDAP and a bunch of other softwares but it's nowhere near as complete or easy to setup.

One point on which Linux is more advanced though is containerisation/sandboxing. Going back to the original topic, running steam through some sort of sandbox (flatpak, snap, appimage, firejail) could, in theory, limit the damage a RCE could do (disclaimer: as with all thing security, it's more complicated than just "use this and it's safe" so do your own research).

Okay. I hear you. I'm not convinced that Windows is better at this stuff than Linux, as my experiences differ from yours and so does the research I've read on the subject. I guess these things are complicated enough that people will disagree. And the implementations are certainly different under the hood.

I'm not going to debate this any further, simply because this is too close to stuff I have to worry about at work. Windows is bleak enough to think about even when I'm being paid for it. :wink:

I will say that the only relevant thing to this discussion is the security of the typical gaming setup on Linux vs one on Windows. Optional enterprise features aren't going to come into play.

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Quoting: hell0For the record -and as much as it pains me to admit it- Windows has had much better permission management than Linux for decades now. ACLs are actually usable on NTFS and non-root account has been the default since at least windows XP (you can do "root" actions from your normal account but that requires validation, just like sudo on linux).

How are these Windows permission management features much better than their Linux equivalents? Are there relevant studies, or maybe some solid metrics you used to rank them yourself? Or did you base your claim on something else entirely?

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Quoting: tuubiYeah, I couldn't do banking on my phone. I wouldn't even want to, but I'm sure that's a blocker for many people. The rest of the stuff on your list (and calendar events, alarms, etc.) are fine.

I can't carry around enough cash for all possible purchases (besides, the number of stores even accepting cash is decreasing), so I need an easy way to transfer money quickly. Notifications for unexpected transactions also help me notice fraud more quickly.

The NFC payment feature in my banking app is also handy for reducing fraud, and isn't tied to Apple, Google, Samsung, or god forbid, Meta. Only to my bank, who has all my details and transaction history anyway. Not a requirement, but definite value add.

Yeah, I don't carry cash either. I pay with my debit card, mostly with its contactless (NFC) payment feature. But I'm sure available payment methods vary by country.

Quoting: pleasereadthemanualMy phone is also a lot more secure than my computers (my GrapheneOS phone anyway, not my Pinephone), so I can't blame anybody for wanting to do their banking on a phone. Despite my distaste for phones, that's not a point I can even debate.

So I won't debate. I simply have a hard time trusting a phone any better than I trust the browser on my Linux desktop.

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Quoting: tuubiSignal's official Android app worked fine on my Sailfish phone (using the inbuilt Android compatibility layer) when I tried it, except that it couldn't access my contacts. There's also a native client called Whisperfish that's still a bit janky but it mostly does the job. Same goes for Telegram: The official Android app works fine, and so does the slightly stripped down version on F-Droid, but I use a native FOSS client called Fernschreiber to chat to my Telegram contacts. But only if I'm not near a computer. I like a proper keyboard.

The problem is, Signal requires me to have one phone and only one phone. You can only have one primary phone, and you can't transfer message history (easily), and it's all a big pain. I've heard Waydroid takes upwards of 7 minutes to startup on a Pinephone. Even if it worked (I tried Axolotl a few years ago, it did not work), I'm just not willing to disable one device so I can only use it on another. And the fact that I even feel I need a "backup phone" is reason enough not to do it. That's Signal's fault, but it is the biggest blocker for me. I'm glad it works for you.

Yeah, Signal can be inconvenient, even if most people only use one phone at a time. The Alien Dalvik Android layer on Sailfish X is pretty seamless though. If apps work, they work pretty well. And most apps I've tried (from F-Droid, mostly) have been fine. Although currently the only Android app I use regularly is an eBook reader.

Quoting: pleasereadthemanualI despise typing on a phone. Everything about it is awful. But, well, sometimes I don't have a keyboard near me, or need to call someone when I'm out.

Same. I actively avoid chatting and writing emails on a phone. I also actively avoid phone calls, but that has nothing to do with the operating systems. I just don't like talking on the phone.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: s01itudelinux on mobile (outside of android) is basically a joke at best at this point

That's a bit harsh. I've been happy with Sailfish OS on my phones for years, and the wife isn't complaining either. If you're into mobile gaming or something, sure, it's not a realistic option, but it's certainly not a joke for those of us with simpler needs.

I've owned a Pinephone for a few years now. I never use it and would never rely on it for even my simple needs with a phone. For reference, those are:

• Maps


• Messages


• Calls


• Email


• 2FA device


• Banking (can do it in the browser, I guess)

Yeah, I couldn't do banking on my phone. I wouldn't even want to, but I'm sure that's a blocker for many people. The rest of the stuff on your list (and calendar events, alarms, etc.) are fine.

Quoting: pleasereadthemanualI can't run Signal on it, so I can't message anybody.

Signal's official Android app worked fine on my Sailfish phone (using the inbuilt Android compatibility layer) when I tried it, except that it couldn't access my contacts. There's also a native client called Whisperfish that's still a bit janky but it mostly does the job. Same goes for Telegram: The official Android app works fine, and so does the slightly stripped down version on F-Droid, but I use a native FOSS client called Fernschreiber to chat to my Telegram contacts. But only if I'm not near a computer. I like a proper keyboard.

Quoting: pleasereadthemanualPerhaps the experience is better on Android phones that have been flashed with a Linux-based operating system.

We've got a couple of Sony Xperia 10 III phones with paid Sailfish X licenses, and the OS installation was a manual process. There are currently no phones available with Sailfish OS pre-installed.

Before these I had the original Xperia 10, and before that the original Jolla phone from 2013 (a developer version that I got for free). As you can see, I don't really like phones, and I don't buy new ones until I absolutely need to.

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Quoting: s01itudelinux on mobile (outside of android) is basically a joke at best at this point

That's a bit harsh. I've been happy with Sailfish OS on my phones for years, and the wife isn't complaining either. If you're into mobile gaming or something, sure, it's not a realistic option, but it's certainly not a joke for those of us with simpler needs.

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Quoting: ElamanOpiskelijaI just wanted to play games... why are you guys forcing me to think?

What's forcing me to think is the blatant conflict between your avatar image and the distro icon next to your name. :huh:

(Just kidding. I'm pretty sure liking more than one distro is allowed.)

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I never really got into the original Flash animations and whatnot, but this looks just about brainless enough. We all need some silliness in our lives to counterbalance all the serious stuff.

Also I just can't resist a Linux-native classic comedy point-and-click adventure.

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Quoting: pleasereadthemanualThe last game I heard 3D Realms associated with was around 30 years ago. Now I'm curious what they've been up to.

That's easy: https://3drealms.com/ [External Link]

I'm not really into shooters these days, but I do recognize Ion Fury and I watched Samsai [External Link] stream Wrath: Aeon of Ruin only last week. Seems solid.

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