Quoting: CatKiller

The good news is that it will be entirely optional as the HD content will be available via the Steam Workshop as free downloads... Find DUSK on Humble Store, GOG.com and Steam.

I wonder how they'll approach putting the new content on GOG, or if they will?

Just like any other optional DLC you can find on GOG, I presume. Just download the DLC and install on top of the base game. Or use a client that handles this for you.

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Quoting: ivarhill

Quoting: tuubiThe talky and sneaky options are a refreshing change of pace for the genre. If the story is decent, I'm definitely interested. If Linux support comes through that is.

Very much intending to support Linux! Whether that is confirming the game works well under Proton or providing a fully native client remains to be decided, but I exclusively run Linux myself so the game by definition needs to run well under it :)

Nice! Personally I'm hoping for native simply because that's how I keep my wishlist to a reasonable size, but either way is definitely better than no Linux support at all. :smile:

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The talky and sneaky options are a refreshing change of pace for the genre. If the story is decent, I'm definitely interested. If Linux support comes through that is.

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Quoting: 14

Quoting: tuubiIf you still want to continue this conversation, please try to keep a lid on the patronising tone. This is about business ethics and a corporation's responsibility towards their employees and clients. Not about a CEO's feelings or other such nonsense.

Ethics and responsibility play along with expectations from everyone -- employees and investors. When expectations are accurate, emotions follow. You would not continue this thread without some level of emotional attachment, so I don't understand this odd request. Humans can't avoid emotions, and it affects our short-term judgement and decision making.

I'm saying that feelings aren't the topic of this discussion. Societal responsibility isn't about feelings. Business ethics isn't about feelings. A CEO doesn't make important business decisions based on how they feel. A certain level of professional detachment is expected of them. Of course we all have feelings and they contribute to everything we do, but that's neither here nor there.

Nobody expects Epic's CEO to actually love all of his employees. I don't understand why you'd deem us unserious enough to even entertain that thought. And I'm not against these sorts of corporate shenanigans just because they make me angry or sad. I'm not a child. I'm against them because they're not good for the society or the economy in the long run. That means every one of us as participants in that society. And as consumers and employees in the economy.

Quoting: 14That said, I don't have anything else to add. It is clear you are passionate on your point of view and will continue an us versus them bitterness.

I'm not bitter at all, nor am I against businesses or business owners in general. I suppose I just happen to disagree with you on the standard we should hold them to.

I am sorry if I come off as unnecessarily blunt or confrontational. That's not my intention. Social skills, what are they and where can I buy some? :whistle:

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Quoting: 14I wouldn't agree with the extremes you described either. Extremes are never good. Without writing something very long winded, I'm trying to say that we can't expect CEO's to love their employees like parent-child or close relative relationships. The other extreme would be complete disregard of human life. Something in between can happen.

Yeah, something in between happened here, obviously. It's not even slightly extreme to expect an employer to value their employees more than a bunch of numbers on a balance sheet. To say that betting the livelihoods of 800+ employees on a gamble that never had much chance of success is callous and irresponsible. Nothing to do with love, parental or otherwise.

People are not so much panning the layoffs, but rather the business decisions that almost inevitably led here.

But don't worry, the ones making these decisions are doing just fine. They deserve every bit of criticism they get, but they won't lose any sleep, or be any less rich. They're well insulated from any real consequences. That's the beauty of big business.

Quoting: 14If Epic was able to avoid their current financial problem, it wouldn't have been out of love, it would have been from smart business decisions with the goal of self sustenance. Most employees would be happy and comfortable knowing their company had a sturdy future.

No publicly traded company seeks mere self sustenance. That's seen as failure to grow and scares away investors.

Besides, Epic already has a very profitable product in Unreal Engine and in trying to carve a slice of the game store market with their exclusives, freebies and negative marketing campaigns, they knowingly made a gamble with a very slight chance of success. It's just business as usual: A boardroom full of rich people took a risk and employees are the only ones who suffer for it, but wouldn't have seen any of the payoff in any case. Unless you consider not losing their jobs for someone else's mistake a reward of some kind.

If you still want to continue this conversation, please try to keep a lid on the patronising tone. This is about business ethics and a corporation's responsibility towards their employees and clients. Not about a CEO's feelings or other such nonsense.

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Quoting: 14

Quoting: Cybolic

Quoting: 14Companies are for-profit, ya know? Go to church if you want more of a family feel. Companies are not your family.

I'm afraid I have bad news [External Link] for you....

Sorta funny, but you're not claiming they're for profit, are you?

Looks to me like these churches have been actively gathering a lot more wealth than they spend. Isn't that what you'd call "making a profit"? Churches are not treated as business entities so obviously we don't apply the for-profit label. Not even to the sort of Christian offshoots that preach the prosperity gospel and exist to enrich their charismatic leaders.

Quoting: 14Regardless, if you don't like my example, my point still stands. Think of a different example I guess.

So if the point of the bit Cybolic quoted wasn't that churches are an ethical counterbalance to corporate greed, maybe it was that we can't hold businesses and their leaders to any ethical standard at all? That we should just accept that anything goes in the name of profit?

Any way you spin it, your point wasn't great. In my opinion, obviously.

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The first game was excellent. I'm hopeful this'll be just as good.

Goes straight to the bottom of my wishlist, below about 200 Linux games. I suppose I could get around to buying and playing it, eventually. In theory.

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Quoting: Vasya Sovari

Quoting: redneckdrowTurnip?! I just got used to potato meaning under-powered; now they have to throw brands named for other roots and tubers in the mix? I really hate modern internet slang! :tongue:

It makes me feel like taking the A.P. English exams in my Junior/Senior years was a waste. No one seems to care about the language anymore, save academia.:cry:

I have to keep the Urban Dictionary bookmarked just to parse what some websites' posts mean!

This is inherent to the nature of the English language. I'm a 45yo native speaker, and new terms arrive so rapidly I don't even bother *trying* to keep up. If a sentence makes no sense I simply assume it wasn't targeted at me, ignore it and move on.

Every living language changes and evolves.

Specialist jargon can facilitate more efficient communication of ideas between people acquainted with the subject, so it's not a bad thing in general. Slang is more of a social phenomenon, and many of the common phrases and words we all use today were once what we'd have considered slang of one group/subculture or another.

This windmill isn't worth tilting at.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: tuubiMaybe I don't quite grasp what you mean, but I don't see how I could hold any of my modern gamepads in an upright position, as in the bumpers / shoulder buttons facing the ceiling, unless I pull the controller right up to my chin. I hold them on my lap, thumbsticks pointing up.

They aren't pointing up so much as pointing towards you. Modern controller grips fit into the palm so that the controller is oriented in a way that means that they're facing you wherever they are in a circle centred on your head/shoulders, which means they're generally going to be oriented at around 45° to the ground. You're looking at the face of the controller, not the bottom of the controller.

No, the thumbsticks definitely point almost directly upwards when I'm sitting in my comfy chair and playing a game. I'm not looking at the face of the controller. If I try to turn the controller up the way you think it should be held, I can't use the triggers with my middle fingers comfortably when my hands are resting on my lap. Please don't just assume you know better than I do how I hold my gamepads. :wink:

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Quoting: CatKillerAnd with controllers that don't have a perfectly clear, perfectly well defined, entirely-consistent-with-game-conventions-forever forward direction, it's only really the N64 controller that's commonly likely to be held horizontally; modern controllers are much more upright than flat.

Maybe I don't quite grasp what you mean, but I don't see how I could hold any of my modern gamepads in an upright position, as in the bumpers / shoulder buttons facing the ceiling, unless I pull the controller right up to my chin. I hold them on my lap, thumbsticks pointing up.

But forwards in a 3D game is "into" the screen, along the z-axis, not towards the top of the screen. And on the Deck that would mean towards the bottom or back of the device. It would be different if the screen flipped up like one of those laptop-shaped GPD devices. Or the Nintendo thingies with the flip screen. (Handhelds and consoles in general aren't my cup of tea.)

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